Update: The Nation’s Chris Hayes and I had a chat about the OPR report here.
The OPR Report [searchable PDF here] notes–but does not call much attention to–a Goldsmith footnote on a draft of his attempt to replace the March 2003 Yoo Memo that had authorized torture for us in DOD. In a footnote designed to explain why Yoo’s memo was so bad, Goldsmith notes that in March 2002, OLC ruled that DOD had to abide by the torture statute.
4. “The memorandum incorrectly concludes, contrary to an earlier opinion of this Office, that the torture statute does not apply to the conduct of the military during wartime.” Id. at 2, n.l.
“This conclusion contradicted an earlier opinion of this Office, which had concluded that the torture statute applies to official conduct engaged in by United States military personnel. Memorandum for William J. Haynes, II, General
Counsel, Department of Defense, from Jay S. Bybee, Assistant Attorney General, Office of Legal Counsel, Re:. The President’s Power as Commander in Chief to Transfer Captured Terrorists to the Control and Custody ofForeign Nations at 25-26 (Mar. 13,2002). We agree with the March· 2002 opinion that Congress’s explicit extension ofthe prohibition ofthe torture statute to individuals acting ‘under color of law’ naturally includes military personnel.acting during wartime. We therefore disavow the contrary conclusion on this question in [the Yoo Memo].” June 24, 2004 draft at 29-30, n.28.
Here’s the section of the 2002 opinion–which was signed by Yoo’s former boss, Jay Bybee–Goldsmith was referring to:
This law applies to official conduct engaged in by United States military personnel, as 18 U.S.C. § 2340 (1994) defines “torture” to mean “an act committed by a person acting under the color of law,” and 18 U.S.C. § 2340A(b)(l) explicitly provides United States courts with jurisdiction where ‘the alleged offender is a national of the United States.”
This is worth closer attention because of the context in which Yoo wrote the March 2003 memo.
The SASC report on torture provides details of how Alberto Mora first learned of the torture used on Mohammed al-Qhatani at Gitmo, and used a variety of means to get Jim Haynes and Rummy to withdraw the December 2, 2002 approval for those torture methods. In an attempt to mollify and end-run torture opponents within DOD, Haynes had John Yoo (and, we now know, Jennifer Koester) adapt and expand the Bybee Memo as advice to DOD so as to limit the legal limits those in DOD could impose.
But the OPR Report provides two previously unknown details. First, it reveals that Jack Goldsmith had reason to believe that Yoo had provided Jim Haynes oral advice leading up to the time Haynes and Rummy signed the Gitmo memo.
In a June 10, 2004 memorandum to the file, then AAG Goldsmith reported talking to John Yoo about oral advice that Yoo may have provided to DOD General Counsel Haynes’in November and December 2002. Yoo told Goldsmith that he dimly recalled discussions with Haynes about specific interrogation techniques to be used on a military detainee at that time, but that any advice, he gave was “extremely tentative” and that “he never gave Mr. Haynes any advice that went beyond what was contained” in the August 2002 opinions.
[snip]
[describing their conversation] Goldsmith also asked Yoo about some oral advice he had provided to Haynes in connection with DOD’s December 2, 2002 decision to use EITs on a detainee at the Guantanamo Bay facility. Yoo reportedly told Goldsmith that he did not mow the identity of the detainee (who was probably Mohammed Al-Khatani), but that he dimly recalled discussing specific techniques with Haynes in November and December 2002. Yoo stated that any advice he gave Haynes was “extremely informal,” and was clearly “extremely tentative.” According to Yoo, he “never gave Mr. Haynes any advice that went beyond what was contained” in the August 2002 opinions.
The report also revealed that Yoo had tasked Koester to write a letter retroactively authorizing Qahtani’s torture.
One of the military detainees who was reportedly subjected to aggressive techniques over the objections of the FBI was Mohammed Al-Khatani (“Al-Qahtani” in the DOJ OIG Report). According to [Koester] sometime in 2003, John Yoo told her to draft a letter to the Defense Department legality of the, techniques that had been used in Al-Khatani’s interrogation. In a May 30, 2003 email, written to Yoo shortly before he left the Department, [Koester] said that she “did not get a chance to draft a letter to DOD re: techniques. My thought is I can draft it when I get back and have Pat [Philbin] sign it.” [Koester] told us that she never drafted the letter because she did not receive sufficient information about the interrogation from the Defense Department.
Here’s why this is important.
DOD has always pretended that it based its approval of the Gitmo memo solely on the crappy analysis of Diane Beaver. But that appears not to be the case. Rather, it appears that Yoo was free-lancing again, potentially even endorsing legal opinions contrary to those that Bybee–who was still his boss!!–had formalized earlier that year.
It sort of makes sense, then, that Haynes would ask Yoo to codify a memo so quickly after the Gitmo memo (based partly on Yoo’s advice, it seems) was withdrawn. And it makes sense that Yoo would try to retroactively justify his earlier oral advice–though I do wonder, given the way Yoo and Koester free-lanced together in early 2003 on CIA’s “Legal Principles,” whether this letter would have been another document written by OLC lawyers, but not by OLC.
It’s telling, though, that one thing Yoo would do with his March 2003 memo was to claim DOD was exempt from the torture statute even when OLC had ruled, just one year before, that it was not.
Now, there’s one thing these new details go some way to explain: why Susan Craford announced DOD would not try al-Qahtani in a military commission because he had been tortured. Crawford made that announcement just weeks after the OPR Report was first drafted.
But there are two questions this raises. First, we know that Koester went directly from not writing the letter retroactively authorizing torture to DOD to work with Jim Haynes (the OPR Report refers to her being there as of May 2003–so presumably she would have written the letter, referred to above, while working at DOD and then simply forwarded it to Philbin to rubber stamp it as OLC product). Then, there is the mention that DOD simply withdrew its request for a memo authorizing its torture program.
On July 14, 2004, then Associate Deputy AG Patrick Philbin testified before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence as to the legality of the 24 interrogation methods that had been approved for use by the Defense Departrri.ent. Sometime thereafter, the Defense Department reportedly informed OLC that it no longer needed a replacement for the Yoo Memo.
All of which raises the question of what authority DOD was working with after Goldsmith withdrew the Yoo memo (particularly given reports of Bush EOs authorizing military torture)?
Something funky happened after DOD realized it had tortured al-Qahtani without adequate legal protection. But it’s not clear what happened.
Updated for (I hope) more clarity.
Updated with reference to Philbin testimony and withdrawal of request for memo.



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You. Are. Amazing.
Thank you.
There must be something somewhere, in the chain of command, that is documented and that is where the something funky must be.
Kudos from Sully
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/02/the-twelfth-torture-technique-mock-burial.html
EW:
I haven’t finished reading the whole thing, but I think there is a typo, here;
“This is worth closer attention because of the context in which Yoo wrote the March 2003 memo.”
It’s not a typo, but help me figure out how to make it clearer.
Bybee wrote a memo in March 2002 that (among other things) said the torture statue applied.
Yoo wrote a memo in March 2003–commonly referred to as the Yoo memo–that said the torture statute didn’t apply.
Good to see that Andrew Sullivan understands Marcy’s find on the 12th technique is as good a find as “183.”
harpie
When you get done reading can you tell me whether the changes I’ve made make it clearer?
Thanks.
Very sorry about that, EW. I’m not sure it’s unclear as you wrote it…[I'm just coming back from a long break from thinking about all of this, and got confused.] The 2003 Yoo memo [March 14?] was the result of the “Working Group” Haynes had put together in response to Mora’s investigation…right? So maybe the “3/03 Yoo/Working Group Memo”? Again, I’m not sure the “WG” is needed because the date would be there anyway.
Goldsmith ….“We therefore disavow the contrary conclusion on this question….” I guess Margolis figures disavow means politely disagree and that Yoo et. al just needed better wordsmithery, perhaps additional english comp course, instead of sanctions.
No reason to be sorry–I can see why it wasn’t clear when I wrote it and appreciate that you let me know. Did you see what I’ve done since? I tried to mark each memo each time.
OT–
I am making a pathetic attempt to make a running commentary on the new Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission, taking place right now, at my diary yesterday, New Pecora Commission to hold more hearings. I would make a new diary, but the “Save and Preview” button instead erases and destroys everything I wrote.
Bob in AZ
Marcy,
Great interview with Chris Hayes. A great way for anyone here to give friends a summary about all of this.
From your timeline thread:
Question:
There are means by which to stop organ failure, reverse the effects of organ failure and even bring people back to life (especially after a heart attack or suffocation.)
Would the “organ failure standard” wording actually allow techniques that allow organ failure/death if you have the means to reverse the organ failure/death?
And, another question.
The July 13,2002 letter from Yoo to Rizzo states the following in the last sentence of the second paragraph:
That reads like a “get out jail card” based on the work of Mitchell and Jessen. If so, then taking someone through organ failure and then submitting them to a recovery method would be okay by this statement.
Thanks, EW, for another gem!
I recommend to everyone the experience of attempting to liveblog or provide a running commentary on any live event, as I am presently attempting to do with today’s Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission hearings. It is a humbling experience, and leads one in awe of the liveblogging that EW and others have done.
Bob in AZ
I think the post is quite clearly written, Marcy, and wow! I DO appreciate the depth of your knowledge!
When I read this sentence:
“Something funky happened after DOD realized it had tortured al-Qahtani without adequate legal protection. But it’s not clear what happened.”
I automatically thought of the special military units Rummy was fighting for, and eventually got, which would be able to do whatever the CIA could, but wouldn’t be subject to Congressional oversight. Seymour Hersh wrote a series of articles about that in The New Yorker.
That’s one of the most infuriating statements in this whole sordid mess.
What I asked or what Yoo wrote?
OMG! Another apology needed. I’m so sorry for not making that clear, klynn. I emphatically agree with what you say. It’s Yoo’s statemet that, to me, shows “the banality of evil”.
Yeah. That’s exactly what I’m thinking too.
That’s what I thought. But sometimes I mess up my intention in what I write and wondered if it was me creating the confusion.
On the note of “the banality of evil” that sentence from the letter might as well say, “Hey torture techniques from any evil regime goes folks.”
Is the meeting of October 2, 2002 at GITMO…important here?
Guantanamo and its Aftermath, Center for Constitutional Rights, November 2008 http://ccrjustice.org/files/Report_GTMO_And_Its_Aftermath.pdf
Minutes from a Torturer’s Meeting at Guantanamo, Invictus, 2/20/09 http://valtinsblog.blogspot.com/2009/02/minutes-from-torturers-meeting-at.html
“According to Fredman [CIA counsel], “the DoJ has provided much guidance on this issue [sleep deprivation at Bagram and how they deal with ICRC “scrutiny” by “ghosting” detainees.]“
Sort of. But there’s been a lot of attention paid tehre and not–as Mary has pointed out–on a field trip that Addington, Haynes, Rizzo, Goldsmith, and others had ot Gitmo the week before. I have wondered whether they didn’t bring the Techniques memo with them.
OPR notes that Fredman was telling DOD about these techniques. But Fredman doesn’t mention the Techniques memo–at least from what I can tell.
And Fredman is already using the stance on CAT–that the 8th amendment doesn’t apply–that would later be integrated into the Yoo Memo and the Legal Principles.
In a bit of irony related to the creation of this March 2003 memo, the Senate, on June 15, 2004, passed an amendment to the Defense Authorization Bill backed by Republican Sen. Lindsay Graham, to give JAGs the same legal authority as military attorneys, like Air Force General Counsel Mary Walker, who are appointed by the president. Walker worked with Yoo on the memo, as you know.
The amendment, dubbed the “Mary Walker bill,” was spurred by complaints from JAGs, who said Walker had ignored their legal concerns about the interrogation of detainees at Guantanamo Bay.
On a side note, in The Terror Presidency (P. 152 -153), Goldsmith wrote about his interaction with Haynes in December 2003 informing him that he was withdrawing the March 2003 opinion:
Then Haynes asked what’s wrong with the opinion. Goldsmith writes:
In April 2003,
disregard that stray “In April 2003…” For some reason, when I hit edit the blockquotes and paragraph breaks disappear.
Oh, sorry, what I wanted to add is that Goldsmith clearly sounds concerned, at least the way he describes his interaction in his book, and I wonder if he by any chance he could be referring to the oral advice Yoo gave Haynes when discussing the problems or do you all read that as dealing specifically with the memo?
OT,
Marcy, will you be writing a second book, Legal Deceit?
Finally, great interview with Chris Hayes, Marcy!
It’s one of those things Goldsmith is very sketchy about (it was interesting, but not at all unsurprising to me, that the OPR Report confirmed that Goldsmith’s first wigout was over a warrantless wiretap opinion).
But then OPR is very sketchy, too. They’ve got abundant evidence that IN ADDITION to his really bad OLC memos, he was also, repeatedly, free-lancing. And while some of that is almost certainly discussed in some of the redactions, it’s still something that seems would merit an ethics complaint.
Thanks for that. By the way, didn’t the report by the five IG’s on surveillance say Yoo was freelancing and not even Ashcroft or Bybee knew what he was working on? I’m going to check that again.
In other news, Jerry Nadler just released this statement for those who haven’t seen it yet (my emphasis in bold)
From the press release:
I thought the Levin footnote in the Report, that Gonzales and Bushco didn’t like him much bc when he was working for Mueller at FBI, they thought he read “too many” people into the warrantless wiretap program. He was apparently the guy who handled the fallout from the fact that FBI personnel independently discovered the mass surveillance was going on and were convinced there was a massive crime going on as well. He had to brief several senior persons at FBI to just calm down the FBI freak out over what they were finding. Our law enforcement guys – except when it comes to gazillions of FISA felonies by Bush, in which case, notsomuch on the law enforcement thingy.
BTW – the email to Goldsmith from David Leitch, which is basically an email from an anonymous DOJ/DOD person to Harvard, with Leitch’s commentary to giggle over with Goldsmith, says something I hadn’t seen before. It says that Goldsmith actively worked on that Working Group report during his tenure at DoD as Haynes’ special assistant. I noticed Leitch didn’t refute that, although he might not know and the purpose of his email wasn’t for third party fact checking.
Maybe those of you who read Goldsmith’s book know more about that, but the fact that he had his toe dipped all the way in the torture waters via participation in the activities of the Working Group was news to me.
Problem with that is that state bars, and especially the DC Bar, pretty much never even investigate, much less discipline, a governmental attorney, and definitely not where there was no appearance or actual controversy within the district. I think it next to unimaginable that anything would be done without a finding and referral by the OPR.
One alternative could be for Congress, or one of the judiciary committees to make a referral; that might have some juice. I don’t think they have the balls, but it is an idea…….
what about the fact that the statute of limitations expired in Pennsylvania? Does it matter? I know Yoo’s attorney raised that in their response. I was still unclear on how these other groups could ask for a review if the statute expired.
That’s a very interesting idea about Congress or the judiciary committees making a referral. I’m with you, however, on the lack of balls to make such a move.
Correct. So Yoo has this history of free-lancing which is apparently not an ethical conflict whatsoever. Isn’t pretending you have one client when you have another an ethical problem?
You want balls!?!?!?!?!
From CONGRESS?!?!?!?!
After that display of whipped puppyhood today?
Surely you jest.
I think there are possible exceptions in Pennsylvania if there was a desire by that bar to care. More importantly, it is my opinion that Yoo was within the purview of the DC Bar, even though he may not have been a formal member, because he worked for the government and the acts occurred in Washington.
Yes, I jest.
And stop calling me Shirley.
Here you go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VeB7quFcM8
Wonder if Addington told Yoo to write his own get-out-of-jail-free card for such brazen ethical conflicts. Damn.
Thanks for providing insight, bmaz. Very helpful as always.
That’s an interesting catch. I hadn’t thought of it before, but it makes sense. According to his interview with Moyers, he was brought into DoD in 9/02 to work in the General Counsel’s [Haynes'] office on detainee matters. He was on the field trip, too:
Yikes!
He left DoD for OLC in April or May 2003…and when did Jennifer Koestner go in the oposite direction?
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/cheney/interviews/goldsmith.html
Remember, Goldsmith’s whole book opens up with a very vivid retelling of his trip to GTMO. I wonder whether he witnessed still-unacknowledged things at GTMO on that trip, and is his ability to tell about them what’s keeping him healthy? Was his recall of the memos and subsequent resignation a second level of ass-covering for the war crime of not stopping it when he was there watching it happen? (“See, I must have been against it!”)
I guess I’m not sure what the question is…OY! my brain!
Do you know which memo Hirsch and Isikoff are talking about here:
The Roots of Torture, Barry, Hirsh, Isikioff, 5/24/04 http://www.globalpolicy.org/empire/un/2004/0524roots.htm
I can’t find it on the Propublica Missing Memos page:
http://www.propublica.org/special/missing-memos
Maybe I’m just really out of it, and it isn’t there because it isn’t “missing” any more. Sorry if this is a stupid question.
hmmm…I haven’t read his book, but that does seem possible. What a burden of guilt these people have placed on all of US!
May 2003, though at a more junior level.
I suspect it’s an error in the reporting.
Bush wrote a presidential finding on September 17, 2001 that, at least for several years, covered the torture program, even though it didn’t say anything about torture or even interrogation. But this was early enough that it was also probably someone trying to leak the presence of the Bybee Memos. I bet they got scrambled in the reporting.
Liberalism, atheism, male sexual exclusivity linked to IQ
does this mean the repukes are inferior??
6 to 11 points thats something!! puke logic.
OT — Stand by to have brilliant liberal women attacked as sluts in 3, 2, 1…
Foulmouthed too. Fuckity fuck fuck, blowjob, etc. etc. etc.
I am sure … pukes would be happy to point those moral fingers in any other direction but their own..
Thanks, Marcy.
Eric Holder and Barack Obama both let John Yoo off the hook…..Shame on the Obama administration….Obama continues the criminal policies of the Bush administration and liberals/progressives allow him to do so…..
It’s not so much that we allow it, it’s more that we’ve failed to find any way to prevent it. Not that’s that’s defensible, but it is different.
Torture is a crime, not a state secret
It’s a convenient argument for both governments, but the Binyam Mohamed ruling will not harm UK-US intelligence co-operation
Matthew Harwood
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 11 February 2010 20.15 GMT
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/feb/11/binyam-mohamed-torture
John Yoo is now free to write all the articles and books he wants in defense of torture, executive privilege and continue to profess such criminal dealings at UC-Berkeley.
His fellow traveler in crime, Jay Bybee is also free to write legal opinions and defend his belief that torture is justifiable as well.
The United States and its citizens should not be proud of their government for not only allowing such illegal and immoral acts but standing idly by in their quiet and comfort as the present Obama administration continues the Bush era rendition and torture policies around the world. Moreover, the Obama administration has increased the surveillance state against Americans since taking over the reigns of power from the Bush administration.
Book:
Less Safe, Less Free By David Cole
I have to keep reminding myself that between January 2001 and January 2009 there were two federal governments, two executive branches: the official, for-public-view Bush/Cheney administration and the shadow, not-for-public view Bush/Cheney administration.
A short list of shadow, nor-for-public view Bush/Cheney administration policies and practices:
1) Torture of detainees,
2) illegal warrantless wiretaps,
3) no-bid federal contracts,
4) Hatch Act-violating hiring,
5) GITMO/overseas rendition sites,
6) Secret pre-Iraq War communications/conspiracy between Bush and Blair,
7) Secret 2001 Dick Cheney energy task force meetings,
8) Extensive outsourcing of non-profit public jobs to for-profit private contractors, domestically and in foreign theaters,
9) Outing covert CIA agent Valerie Plame Wilson to “get” her husband, former U.S. ambassador Joseph Wilson.
10) Bush/Cheney shadow government overseas assassination hit-man squads.
These are to name just a few. Hurricane Katrina represented another conflict between official Bush/Cheney and shadow Bush/Cheney. Shadow immigration detention centers around America, another.
But torture still remains the linchpin, showing just how far shadow Bush/Cheney were willing to go, trashing international anti-torture treaties and federal anti-torture statutes, setting up shadow overseas detention centers, even hiring shadow private contractors to participate in their shadow torture program.
So when I hear discussions of shadow Bush/Cheney going to and getting shadow, shallow lawyers at the DOJ (like John Yoo, Jennifer Koester, Jay Bybee, etal.) to render shadow, shallow “legal” opinions in support of their shadow torture program, I realize that shadow Bush/Cheney were not only trying to cover their own shadow asses, but also all other shadow participants in their shadow executive branch activities, but especially any shadow private contractors involved in their shadow torture of detainees overseas. (Similar to retroactive immunity given to shadow telecom companies, but just as assuredly meant to keep other participants in this shadow government from facing any legal liabilities).
Apparently, some current members of the Obama administration liked what they saw during the shadow years of the Bush/Cheney time in office, and are doing everything they can to keep the Bush/Cheney shadow government from seeing the light of day, essentially trying to keep America and American citizens in the shadows in the process, blocking a full airing of dirty Bush/Cheney laundry from occurring. The real issue is lawlessness (shadow government) versus lawfulness (transparent government). I’m still waiting for the change I can believe in. Cover-ups are always a sign that a shadow government is in operation…still.
Very good points and keen insight.