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	<title>Comments on: Jonathan Gruber Failed to Disclose His $392,600 Contracts with HHS (Updated)</title>
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		<title>By: matutinal</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/01/07/jonathan-grubers-rent-a-scholarship/#comment-212140</link>
		<dc:creator>matutinal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 07:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, EW you must be breaking some...eggs with this story; you are generating concern troll omelets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, EW you must be breaking some&#8230;eggs with this story; you are generating concern troll omelets.</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/01/07/jonathan-grubers-rent-a-scholarship/#comment-211822</link>
		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 03:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EW,
Thanks for your concise response to ondelette. I was contemplating a response myself, but yours was far more concise than mine would have been-- and probably more lucid, too!

Bob in AZ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EW,<br />
Thanks for your concise response to ondelette. I was contemplating a response myself, but yours was far more concise than mine would have been&#8211; and probably more lucid, too!</p>
<p>Bob in AZ</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/01/07/jonathan-grubers-rent-a-scholarship/#comment-211819</link>
		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 03:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phred,
Thanks for your patient answer to ondelette.

Bob in AZ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phred,<br />
Thanks for your patient answer to ondelette.</p>
<p>Bob in AZ</p>
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		<title>By: PJEvans</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/01/07/jonathan-grubers-rent-a-scholarship/#comment-211807</link>
		<dc:creator>PJEvans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 01:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;In a court proceeding it is important to know who is paying the witnesses testifying. Payment in any form monetary or other is a fact always open to discovery. Deception on this topic is cause for sanction. Payment is often used to question motive for conclusions being presented.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

My brother was an expert witness for the defense in a civil case. There was another expert for the plaintiff. When they testified, the judge reminded the jury that my brother was being paid for his work, but he &lt;em&gt;didn&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; do that when the other expert testified.
A little bias there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In a court proceeding it is important to know who is paying the witnesses testifying. Payment in any form monetary or other is a fact always open to discovery. Deception on this topic is cause for sanction. Payment is often used to question motive for conclusions being presented.</p></blockquote>
<p>My brother was an expert witness for the defense in a civil case. There was another expert for the plaintiff. When they testified, the judge reminded the jury that my brother was being paid for his work, but he <em>didn&#8217;t</em> do that when the other expert testified.<br />
A little bias there?</p>
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		<title>By: qweryous</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/01/07/jonathan-grubers-rent-a-scholarship/#comment-211719</link>
		<dc:creator>qweryous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 22:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks- missed this last time through.

Have not seen the link  anywhere else yet.

Will check it out later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks- missed this last time through.</p>
<p>Have not seen the link  anywhere else yet.</p>
<p>Will check it out later.</p>
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		<title>By: Watt4Bob</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/01/07/jonathan-grubers-rent-a-scholarship/#comment-211655</link>
		<dc:creator>Watt4Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 20:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Almost half of this thread could easily be characterized as conversations with a bowling ball.

Bowling balls are &quot;read-only&quot; by design, it&#039;s a feature, not a bug, as they say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Almost half of this thread could easily be characterized as conversations with a bowling ball.</p>
<p>Bowling balls are &#8220;read-only&#8221; by design, it&#8217;s a feature, not a bug, as they say.</p>
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		<title>By: hctomorrow</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/01/07/jonathan-grubers-rent-a-scholarship/#comment-211648</link>
		<dc:creator>hctomorrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 20:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, back from lunch.  Let&#039;s see...


1) Marcy tells us he did not, in fact, disclose to the NEJM in July (94), only later.  So he lied to them, when he obviously knew their policies.


2) Once again you ignore what I say and state your opinion on the case I&#039;m making.  This shows you to be either illiterate or disingenuous.  I&#039;ve laid out the case that I&#039;m making clearly, and I&#039;ll do it one more time.  


A: Gruber lied by omission, to numerous reporters, editors and countless readers, when he failed to disclose an enormous conflict of interest regarding financial compensation on the issue for which his &#039;expertise&#039; is being sought.  He apparently outright lied to the NEJM in July.


B: Financial disclosure is a good in and of itself, and failure to disclose an evil in and of itself, WITHOUT any additional harm or &#039;corruption&#039; demonstrated.  This disclosure acts as a safeguard for academic and governmental integrity, and helps to deter improper behavior, and reveal it when it has occurred.  No crime need be committed, nor fraud perpetrated, to make failure to disclose, which is manifestly evident here, a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, back from lunch.  Let&#8217;s see&#8230;</p>
<p>1) Marcy tells us he did not, in fact, disclose to the NEJM in July (94), only later.  So he lied to them, when he obviously knew their policies.</p>
<p>2) Once again you ignore what I say and state your opinion on the case I&#8217;m making.  This shows you to be either illiterate or disingenuous.  I&#8217;ve laid out the case that I&#8217;m making clearly, and I&#8217;ll do it one more time.  </p>
<p>A: Gruber lied by omission, to numerous reporters, editors and countless readers, when he failed to disclose an enormous conflict of interest regarding financial compensation on the issue for which his &#8216;expertise&#8217; is being sought.  He apparently outright lied to the NEJM in July.</p>
<p>B: Financial disclosure is a good in and of itself, and failure to disclose an evil in and of itself, WITHOUT any additional harm or &#8216;corruption&#8217; demonstrated.  This disclosure acts as a safeguard for academic and governmental integrity, and helps to deter improper behavior, and reveal it when it has occurred.  No crime need be committed, nor fraud perpetrated, to make failure to disclose, which is manifestly evident here, a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/01/07/jonathan-grubers-rent-a-scholarship/#comment-211631</link>
		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not a multiple choice menu.  

That this process has such a range of possible characterizations is why we need more information and disclosure about it, and why it should not be seen as an adequate basis to institute once-in-a-generation health insurance reforms that may substitute for credible health &lt;em&gt;care &lt;/em&gt;reform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not a multiple choice menu.  </p>
<p>That this process has such a range of possible characterizations is why we need more information and disclosure about it, and why it should not be seen as an adequate basis to institute once-in-a-generation health insurance reforms that may substitute for credible health <em>care </em>reform.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/01/07/jonathan-grubers-rent-a-scholarship/#comment-211628</link>
		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You may be okay basing a entire $850 billion reform with no independent assessment. I’m not–it’s dangerous and stupid.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A pithy understatement.  The quality of this reform will affect the lives and livelihoods of every middle and working class American family.  What Congress does to pay for it is likely to affect the current health care benefits of those that have them, and the currents system of employer-only health insurance.  It will dramatically empower existing health insurers, while putting their economic competitors - customers and the government - at a disadvantage.  

We deserve more than a sales job for a policy already cut by the White House before debate began on the health care and/or insurance reforms we need, want and are willing to pay for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You may be okay basing a entire $850 billion reform with no independent assessment. I’m not–it’s dangerous and stupid.</p></blockquote>
<p>A pithy understatement.  The quality of this reform will affect the lives and livelihoods of every middle and working class American family.  What Congress does to pay for it is likely to affect the current health care benefits of those that have them, and the currents system of employer-only health insurance.  It will dramatically empower existing health insurers, while putting their economic competitors &#8211; customers and the government &#8211; at a disadvantage.  </p>
<p>We deserve more than a sales job for a policy already cut by the White House before debate began on the health care and/or insurance reforms we need, want and are willing to pay for.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/01/07/jonathan-grubers-rent-a-scholarship/#comment-211607</link>
		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He &lt;a href=&quot;http://content.nejm.org/cgi/reprint/361/1/4.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;didn&#039;t disclose it in July&lt;/a&gt; to NEJM.

And the problem with him doing both the pitchman and the assessment is that no one is fact-checking his claim (and as a result, no one is fact-checking the Administration&#039;s claims). You may be okay basing a entire $850 billion reform with no independent assessment. I&#039;m not--it&#039;s dangerous and stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He <a href="http://content.nejm.org/cgi/reprint/361/1/4.pdf" rel="nofollow">didn&#8217;t disclose it in July</a> to NEJM.</p>
<p>And the problem with him doing both the pitchman and the assessment is that no one is fact-checking his claim (and as a result, no one is fact-checking the Administration&#8217;s claims). You may be okay basing a entire $850 billion reform with no independent assessment. I&#8217;m not&#8211;it&#8217;s dangerous and stupid.</p>
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