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	<title>Comments on: Why Did Obama Kill The Dawn Johnsen Nomination?</title>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/12/25/why-was-dawn-johnsen-nomination-killed/#comment-208339</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, for all that Obamaco argues that no one should worry his pretty little head over anything else bc he&#039;s so busy with the hugely important healthcare, the truth is that for anyone to whom healthcare REALLY was the most important issue, Hillary was the better candidate.  She was more truthful and up to speed on issues like mandates and she&#039;s a better, toughter negotiator who could have sent Bill around doing sales pitches as well.  You&#039;d have very likely been looking at shoving through a tougher bill now - sure, she&#039;d still have been shot in the foot by all the coporate interests and she&#039;d have made some of the same calculations - but she&#039;d have made sure Lieberman had his apparatus firmly in  wringer if he wanted his chairmanship.

I tried to have this kind of conversation early on with cyberfriends who were pretty firmly in Obama&#039;s camp from the get go and they were adamant that he was The Guy bc on so many OTHER things, like the Afghan war, torture, etc., he was going to be so much better than neocon Hillary.  I didn&#039;t really beleive it then and tried to point out his &quot;I&#039;m a conservative compassionate&quot; stylings, but in the end I did think that they were the best thing Obama had going for him - good solid people who were really committed to him.  I thought if people like that were really that committed to him, then maybe I was missing something.

What&#039;s happened instead is that he&#039;s used his cult effect to not only betray those people, but to also make them lose sight of WHY they backed him (to hell with war and torture now).  Worse yet, he&#039;s made them take anger that they would otherwise have directed at his betrayals and instead direct it at the people who haven&#039;t lost sight. 

Not a good man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, for all that Obamaco argues that no one should worry his pretty little head over anything else bc he&#8217;s so busy with the hugely important healthcare, the truth is that for anyone to whom healthcare REALLY was the most important issue, Hillary was the better candidate.  She was more truthful and up to speed on issues like mandates and she&#8217;s a better, toughter negotiator who could have sent Bill around doing sales pitches as well.  You&#8217;d have very likely been looking at shoving through a tougher bill now &#8211; sure, she&#8217;d still have been shot in the foot by all the coporate interests and she&#8217;d have made some of the same calculations &#8211; but she&#8217;d have made sure Lieberman had his apparatus firmly in  wringer if he wanted his chairmanship.</p>
<p>I tried to have this kind of conversation early on with cyberfriends who were pretty firmly in Obama&#8217;s camp from the get go and they were adamant that he was The Guy bc on so many OTHER things, like the Afghan war, torture, etc., he was going to be so much better than neocon Hillary.  I didn&#8217;t really beleive it then and tried to point out his &#8220;I&#8217;m a conservative compassionate&#8221; stylings, but in the end I did think that they were the best thing Obama had going for him &#8211; good solid people who were really committed to him.  I thought if people like that were really that committed to him, then maybe I was missing something.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s happened instead is that he&#8217;s used his cult effect to not only betray those people, but to also make them lose sight of WHY they backed him (to hell with war and torture now).  Worse yet, he&#8217;s made them take anger that they would otherwise have directed at his betrayals and instead direct it at the people who haven&#8217;t lost sight. </p>
<p>Not a good man.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/12/25/why-was-dawn-johnsen-nomination-killed/#comment-208317</link>
		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have heard Cass Sunstein repeat the our nation needs to &quot;move forward, turn the page, next chapter, we don&#039;t want to be about witch hunts,don&#039;t be about revenge or retribution&quot; line in regard to holding people accountable for the serious crimes committed during the Bush administration.  If his views are &quot;fair and balanced&quot;, our nation is in even deeper criminal doo doo than one wants to really believe.


Just not sure at one point holding people accountable for serious crimes started being defined as &quot;retribution or a witch hunt&quot; instead of justice and accountability.  You know the horseshit line &quot;no one is above the law&quot;  that Obama, Holder, Pelosi, Whitehouse, Leahy, Feingold etc etc are always repeating.  They either mean what they say or they don&#039;t.  Looking like they do not.  The peasants are watching, learning and following their lead.

The problem is the peasants have their asses thrown in prison and our alleged leaders walk free when they commit outrageous crimes.

The whole world is watching and knows our laws are a bunch of bunk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have heard Cass Sunstein repeat the our nation needs to &#8220;move forward, turn the page, next chapter, we don&#8217;t want to be about witch hunts,don&#8217;t be about revenge or retribution&#8221; line in regard to holding people accountable for the serious crimes committed during the Bush administration.  If his views are &#8220;fair and balanced&#8221;, our nation is in even deeper criminal doo doo than one wants to really believe.</p>
<p>Just not sure at one point holding people accountable for serious crimes started being defined as &#8220;retribution or a witch hunt&#8221; instead of justice and accountability.  You know the horseshit line &#8220;no one is above the law&#8221;  that Obama, Holder, Pelosi, Whitehouse, Leahy, Feingold etc etc are always repeating.  They either mean what they say or they don&#8217;t.  Looking like they do not.  The peasants are watching, learning and following their lead.</p>
<p>The problem is the peasants have their asses thrown in prison and our alleged leaders walk free when they commit outrageous crimes.</p>
<p>The whole world is watching and knows our laws are a bunch of bunk</p>
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		<title>By: solerso</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/12/25/why-was-dawn-johnsen-nomination-killed/#comment-208211</link>
		<dc:creator>solerso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 23:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>theres not much left to loot. i dont know what they think this will accomplish in the long run. I dont know what they know about polling and demographics but it better be good. In order for your crack, secret team of behavior science experts to come up with BS that moves large numbers of voters,those voters have to be unaware your lying to them. i think thats all shot to hell now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>theres not much left to loot. i dont know what they think this will accomplish in the long run. I dont know what they know about polling and demographics but it better be good. In order for your crack, secret team of behavior science experts to come up with BS that moves large numbers of voters,those voters have to be unaware your lying to them. i think thats all shot to hell now.</p>
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		<title>By: solerso</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/12/25/why-was-dawn-johnsen-nomination-killed/#comment-208209</link>
		<dc:creator>solerso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 23:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the &quot;shock doctrine&quot; is going to cost the democrats dearly next couple of electrion cycles. But what do axl rod and obama care? obama got his &quot;historic&quot; presidency and axl rod will get all the plum jobbies he cares to take.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the &#8220;shock doctrine&#8221; is going to cost the democrats dearly next couple of electrion cycles. But what do axl rod and obama care? obama got his &#8220;historic&#8221; presidency and axl rod will get all the plum jobbies he cares to take.</p>
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		<title>By: solerso</title>
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		<dc:creator>solerso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 23:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your right i think given the information I made the right choice.Now Im acting on the information I have, and its telling me I made a mistake in not voting for Mcain. If Mcain had won there would be no &quot;health care reform&quot;, and as it stands, that would have been a good thing. Thats how we make informaed descisions right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your right i think given the information I made the right choice.Now Im acting on the information I have, and its telling me I made a mistake in not voting for Mcain. If Mcain had won there would be no &#8220;health care reform&#8221;, and as it stands, that would have been a good thing. Thats how we make informaed descisions right?</p>
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		<title>By: temptingfate</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/12/25/why-was-dawn-johnsen-nomination-killed/#comment-208163</link>
		<dc:creator>temptingfate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why did the centrist cross the reformer?  Wait, I&#039;ve heard this one before.
Because she was there.

Pa-dump-pump.

The shock doctrine applied to the troublesome left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why did the centrist cross the reformer?  Wait, I&#8217;ve heard this one before.<br />
Because she was there.</p>
<p>Pa-dump-pump.</p>
<p>The shock doctrine applied to the troublesome left.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/12/25/why-was-dawn-johnsen-nomination-killed/#comment-208103</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama has flat out stated that is &quot;his philosophy&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama has flat out stated that is &#8220;his philosophy&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Teddy Partridge</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/12/25/why-was-dawn-johnsen-nomination-killed/#comment-208100</link>
		<dc:creator>Teddy Partridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My prediction is that Stevens and Ginsberg will retire at the end of this term, setting up a battle royal over the TWO nominees Obama will be able to appoint in their stead.  And I fully expect the battle royal to be on OUR side.  We need to go all &#039;Harriet&#039; on his ass, because he&#039;ll go all &#039;fair and balanced&#039; on ours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My prediction is that Stevens and Ginsberg will retire at the end of this term, setting up a battle royal over the TWO nominees Obama will be able to appoint in their stead.  And I fully expect the battle royal to be on OUR side.  We need to go all &#8216;Harriet&#8217; on his ass, because he&#8217;ll go all &#8216;fair and balanced&#8217; on ours.</p>
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		<title>By: Teddy Partridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teddy Partridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good point.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lest anybody be deceived, that is a joke (I think anyway); however, there was, at least at one point, talk by Obama and his insiders of considering conservative legal gadfly (and Ken Starr protege) &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Kmiec&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Douglas Kmiec&lt;/a&gt; for inclusion on the short list for appointment.  And that is not a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lest anybody be deceived, that is a joke (I think anyway); however, there was, at least at one point, talk by Obama and his insiders of considering conservative legal gadfly (and Ken Starr protege) <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Kmiec" rel="nofollow">Douglas Kmiec</a> for inclusion on the short list for appointment.  And that is not a joke.</p>
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