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	<title>Comments on: Biotech Industry Needs 42 Representatives to Try to Refute Jane Hamsher</title>
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		<title>By: wmd1961</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/11/15/biotech-industry-needs-42-representatives-to-try-to-refute-jane-hamsher/#comment-199672</link>
		<dc:creator>wmd1961</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While which moiety a molecule is in can matter for efficacy there are techniques to determine you&#039;ve produced the effective molecule. Biological processes should actually be better at synthesizing the correct moiety as well - proteins are expressed under genetically programmed controls that determine how each amino acid is placed.

Analytically determining structure of large molecules uses technology that&#039;s analogous to how we determine blood type - immunoassay. Same technology used for low rent urinalysis for drug use (MS/GC is much superior technology for drug metabolite testing).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While which moiety a molecule is in can matter for efficacy there are techniques to determine you&#8217;ve produced the effective molecule. Biological processes should actually be better at synthesizing the correct moiety as well &#8211; proteins are expressed under genetically programmed controls that determine how each amino acid is placed.</p>
<p>Analytically determining structure of large molecules uses technology that&#8217;s analogous to how we determine blood type &#8211; immunoassay. Same technology used for low rent urinalysis for drug use (MS/GC is much superior technology for drug metabolite testing).</p>
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		<title>By: PJEvans</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJEvans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 06:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Two chemicals can be identical in composition and structure, except that one is the mirror image of the other. And the crazy thing is that one might work, and the other might not.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The handedness of molecules is a funny thing - it really does matter, though. At a guess, the left-handed versions work better, because that&#039;s what we use.

(I remember reading that thalidomide is handed, and one version is safe, but the other is the one that causes the problem. I don&#039;t know how true that is, though.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Two chemicals can be identical in composition and structure, except that one is the mirror image of the other. And the crazy thing is that one might work, and the other might not.</p></blockquote>
<p>The handedness of molecules is a funny thing &#8211; it really does matter, though. At a guess, the left-handed versions work better, because that&#8217;s what we use.</p>
<p>(I remember reading that thalidomide is handed, and one version is safe, but the other is the one that causes the problem. I don&#8217;t know how true that is, though.)</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hear, Here! A mature individual speaks!

Bob in AZ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear, Here! A mature individual speaks!</p>
<p>Bob in AZ</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole biosimilars thing is a tricky business. Two chemicals can be identical in composition and structure, except that one is the mirror image of the other. And the crazy thing is that one might work, and the other might not.

And then two chemicals that are different in composition and structure might have exactly the same effect-- because the business end of both molecules is the same. So the reward structure needs to provide sufficient incentives, without providing excessive profits. I don&#039;t know enough to judge which is which, but I trust Jane.

My situation is not as life-threatening as Jane&#039;s is/was, but presently one of my crucial medications also has unfortunate side effects. It would greatly improve my quality of life if drug research could eliminate the side effects while maintaining the functionality. The present reward structure, exorbitant as it is, seems insufficient to yield results that would be more satisfactory to me and most other men.

On the other hand, the drug industry does not like simple, easily manufactured chemicals. Something like aspirin, if it were discovered today, would not interest most Big Pharmas, because it is natural and not patentable, IIRC. The industry is way out of alignment on that score, too.

The system as it is, is rigged in favor of Big Pharma. Adjustments are in order.

Bob in AZ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole biosimilars thing is a tricky business. Two chemicals can be identical in composition and structure, except that one is the mirror image of the other. And the crazy thing is that one might work, and the other might not.</p>
<p>And then two chemicals that are different in composition and structure might have exactly the same effect&#8211; because the business end of both molecules is the same. So the reward structure needs to provide sufficient incentives, without providing excessive profits. I don&#8217;t know enough to judge which is which, but I trust Jane.</p>
<p>My situation is not as life-threatening as Jane&#8217;s is/was, but presently one of my crucial medications also has unfortunate side effects. It would greatly improve my quality of life if drug research could eliminate the side effects while maintaining the functionality. The present reward structure, exorbitant as it is, seems insufficient to yield results that would be more satisfactory to me and most other men.</p>
<p>On the other hand, the drug industry does not like simple, easily manufactured chemicals. Something like aspirin, if it were discovered today, would not interest most Big Pharmas, because it is natural and not patentable, IIRC. The industry is way out of alignment on that score, too.</p>
<p>The system as it is, is rigged in favor of Big Pharma. Adjustments are in order.</p>
<p>Bob in AZ</p>
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		<title>By: parsec</title>
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		<dc:creator>parsec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone asked Einstein what he thought about the Nazis putting on a program in which 100 Nazi scientists would refute the theory of Relativity.  His response: &quot;If my theory is wrong it would require only one.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone asked Einstein what he thought about the Nazis putting on a program in which 100 Nazi scientists would refute the theory of Relativity.  His response: &#8220;If my theory is wrong it would require only one.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No argument, so to speak.  Though he or she did seem to sincerely believe it was a principled stand.  Blind spot, maybe; we all have them, after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No argument, so to speak.  Though he or she did seem to sincerely believe it was a principled stand.  Blind spot, maybe; we all have them, after all.</p>
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		<title>By: wmd1961</title>
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		<dc:creator>wmd1961</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He or she certainly liked arguing against a position we don&#039;t hold while not addressing our problems with Eshoo&#039;s amendment (and unfortunately Kennedy&#039;s as well).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He or she certainly liked arguing against a position we don&#8217;t hold while not addressing our problems with Eshoo&#8217;s amendment (and unfortunately Kennedy&#8217;s as well).</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 01:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK then, a corollary: &quot;If Marcy has a strawman, it must be Halloween.&quot;  A highly unusual condition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK then, a corollary: &#8220;If Marcy has a strawman, it must be Halloween.&#8221;  A highly unusual condition.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 01:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did dress up as the scarecrow for a Halloween road rally one year. That&#039;s kind of like a straw man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did dress up as the scarecrow for a Halloween road rally one year. That&#8217;s kind of like a straw man.</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 00:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well.  That was unpleasant.  Interesting that pejohb sometimes didn&#039;t even seem to understand who he/she was responding to, @85 confusing Knoxville for Marcy and @101 confusing bmaz for Marcy.  

&quot;When the only tool you have is a strawman, all problems look like Marcy&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well.  That was unpleasant.  Interesting that pejohb sometimes didn&#8217;t even seem to understand who he/she was responding to, @85 confusing Knoxville for Marcy and @101 confusing bmaz for Marcy.  </p>
<p>&#8220;When the only tool you have is a strawman, all problems look like Marcy&#8221;?</p>
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