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		<title>By: fatster</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/11/10/nidal-hasans-dots/#comment-198650</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re happy as can be that you&#039;ve got the brilliant genes you have.  Leave IT to the geeky genes crowd.</description>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, that explains that then.  No worries, thought there must have been a wire crossed somewhere (possibly my end).</description>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/11/10/nidal-hasans-dots/#comment-198579</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and now military is pushing back, saying they don&#039;t know anything about him trying to get out of the military - ever.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091112/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_fort_hood_shooting

&lt;blockquote&gt;Meanwhile, the Pentagon has found no evidence that Hasan formally sought release from the Army as a conscientious objector or for any other reason, two senior military officials told The Associated Press. Family members have said he wanted to get out of the Army and had sought legal advice, suggesting that Hasan&#039;s anxiety as a Muslim over his pending deployment overseas might have been a factor in the deadly rampage. 

Hasan had complained privately to colleagues that he was harassed for his religion and that he wanted to get out of the Army. But there is no record of Hasan filing a complaint with his chain of command regarding any harassment he may have suffered for being Muslim or any record of him formally seeking release from the military, the officials told the AP.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

as per the drill, an anonymous source. 

But if he was already unhappy and wanting out at Walter Reed, someone is going on the record with what it meant for him to be transferred to Ft. Hood.

An extra year&#039;s service

&lt;blockquote&gt;Another Army official, Lt. Col. George Wright, said Wednesday that Hasan likely would have had to commit to another year in the military when he was transferred to Fort Hood earlier this summer. It is common for an officer to incur a one-year service extension when they receive a transfer to another post. &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and now military is pushing back, saying they don&#8217;t know anything about him trying to get out of the military &#8211; ever.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091112/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_fort_hood_shooting" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091112/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_fort_hood_shooting</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Meanwhile, the Pentagon has found no evidence that Hasan formally sought release from the Army as a conscientious objector or for any other reason, two senior military officials told The Associated Press. Family members have said he wanted to get out of the Army and had sought legal advice, suggesting that Hasan&#8217;s anxiety as a Muslim over his pending deployment overseas might have been a factor in the deadly rampage. </p>
<p>Hasan had complained privately to colleagues that he was harassed for his religion and that he wanted to get out of the Army. But there is no record of Hasan filing a complaint with his chain of command regarding any harassment he may have suffered for being Muslim or any record of him formally seeking release from the military, the officials told the AP.</p></blockquote>
<p>as per the drill, an anonymous source. </p>
<p>But if he was already unhappy and wanting out at Walter Reed, someone is going on the record with what it meant for him to be transferred to Ft. Hood.</p>
<p>An extra year&#8217;s service</p>
<blockquote><p>Another Army official, Lt. Col. George Wright, said Wednesday that Hasan likely would have had to commit to another year in the military when he was transferred to Fort Hood earlier this summer. It is common for an officer to incur a one-year service extension when they receive a transfer to another post. </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: robspierre</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/11/10/nidal-hasans-dots/#comment-198548</link>
		<dc:creator>robspierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point about general stress levels. They are high, as witnessed by the problems with Army-related violent crime around Ft, Carson here in Colorado.

I seem to recall that officers can buy any personal sidearm that they want as long as they can obtain ammunition for it--which might militate against the 5.7-mm FN pistol, since the Army-issue weapon is 9-mm. The FN would be a solid choice, though, for a rear-area person like a doctor that probably would not be issued with a rifle. It was designed for just such purposes. The old 9-mm bullet no longer has enough performance against armored opponents with assault rifles. At short range, the FN 5.7-mm supposedly does.

The anti-Muslim hazing is also probably connected with low recruiting standards. When my brother went into the Navy in the &#039;80s, a guy with a neo-Nazi or racist tattoo was either rejected or told to get himself a belt sander. Now tattoos and even Nazi paraphernalia can be openly displayed in barracks. Drug abuse and crimes that used to exclude you from the service now are either OK or are covered up by recruiters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point about general stress levels. They are high, as witnessed by the problems with Army-related violent crime around Ft, Carson here in Colorado.</p>
<p>I seem to recall that officers can buy any personal sidearm that they want as long as they can obtain ammunition for it&#8211;which might militate against the 5.7-mm FN pistol, since the Army-issue weapon is 9-mm. The FN would be a solid choice, though, for a rear-area person like a doctor that probably would not be issued with a rifle. It was designed for just such purposes. The old 9-mm bullet no longer has enough performance against armored opponents with assault rifles. At short range, the FN 5.7-mm supposedly does.</p>
<p>The anti-Muslim hazing is also probably connected with low recruiting standards. When my brother went into the Navy in the &#8217;80s, a guy with a neo-Nazi or racist tattoo was either rejected or told to get himself a belt sander. Now tattoos and even Nazi paraphernalia can be openly displayed in barracks. Drug abuse and crimes that used to exclude you from the service now are either OK or are covered up by recruiters.</p>
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		<title>By: robspierre</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly. Whenever a politician talks about winning, we need to ask &quot;WHAT do we win?&quot; And we have to refuse to take vague talk about &quot;lasting security&quot; as an answer. We need to make them tell us what we get in exchange for our lives, limbs, minds, and money. My guess is that they won&#039;t have much of an answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly. Whenever a politician talks about winning, we need to ask &#8220;WHAT do we win?&#8221; And we have to refuse to take vague talk about &#8220;lasting security&#8221; as an answer. We need to make them tell us what we get in exchange for our lives, limbs, minds, and money. My guess is that they won&#8217;t have much of an answer.</p>
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		<title>By: timr</title>
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		<dc:creator>timr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my understanding-and this came from reading a book by a new shrink many years ago-was that anyone wanting to be a shrink  had to undergo one on one therapy to determine if he was stable enough to treat mental illnesses. Is this true? Was he allowed to become a Dr because of the shortage of Army shrinks?
 As for PDW. As to a Dr I am unsure of current regs, but when I was in Drs did not carry guns of any kind.Red Cross, ya know. As to others, unless big change, EM could not have PDWs. Altho senior NCOs and Officers could have PDWs but had to keep them in unit arms room</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my understanding-and this came from reading a book by a new shrink many years ago-was that anyone wanting to be a shrink  had to undergo one on one therapy to determine if he was stable enough to treat mental illnesses. Is this true? Was he allowed to become a Dr because of the shortage of Army shrinks?<br />
 As for PDW. As to a Dr I am unsure of current regs, but when I was in Drs did not carry guns of any kind.Red Cross, ya know. As to others, unless big change, EM could not have PDWs. Altho senior NCOs and Officers could have PDWs but had to keep them in unit arms room</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops that went to the wrong person on the wrong thread.  Sorry about that.</description>
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		<title>By: timr</title>
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		<dc:creator>timr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As to the gun purchase. The BATF and Fumbling Bunch of Idiots do not seem to have any problems arresting people making straw man gun purchases-guns which are then resold to Mexico drug gangs-so the purchase of a semiauto pistol and the FBI bitching about gun shop records seems to be a non issue(and a definite non starter as far as any law ever changing the Way Things Are) A great many gun owners have a real worry-to them- about any govt having records of their gun purchases. 
 To me, the central problem is that of command failure. The US Army medical dept has had many command failure issues over the years-Walther Reed and its treatment of wounded soldiers for one-so its failure here is just one more in a long line. Then you have the medical branch concern with PC. Saying that they did not investigate the Mjr because he was arabic is total PC BS. As a platoon Sgt I did not see AA,white, latino or asian, I treated everyone exactly the same, they all wore green, so they were all green. If someone fuked up, it was on that person, not his racial identity, but on his failure to follow  rules and orders. That is how I was taught to lead my platoon-a combat arms platoon-As an acting First Sgt I treated everyone in the company the same, always. Black, white, yellow, brown all = green. No more, no less. And yes, I was around, as an E-5 and 6 when the race riots(prior to the draft being dropped) were happening, one happened in my unit. It was shut dwn very quickly and the perps were arrested and removed from the unit within hours.(as was the unit commander who was white and was very much a racist)PC has no use in any military unit. It is contrary to morale, good order and discipline. and also, yes we had some known gays in every unit I was in. We knew who they were, they were treated-by me anyway if they were under my command-exactly like everyone else. I did not allow any racial or any BS against anyone while on duty. Everyone worked together, all facing the same direction.If for no other reason that their lives depended on knowing that they could depend on the man next to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As to the gun purchase. The BATF and Fumbling Bunch of Idiots do not seem to have any problems arresting people making straw man gun purchases-guns which are then resold to Mexico drug gangs-so the purchase of a semiauto pistol and the FBI bitching about gun shop records seems to be a non issue(and a definite non starter as far as any law ever changing the Way Things Are) A great many gun owners have a real worry-to them- about any govt having records of their gun purchases.<br />
 To me, the central problem is that of command failure. The US Army medical dept has had many command failure issues over the years-Walther Reed and its treatment of wounded soldiers for one-so its failure here is just one more in a long line. Then you have the medical branch concern with PC. Saying that they did not investigate the Mjr because he was arabic is total PC BS. As a platoon Sgt I did not see AA,white, latino or asian, I treated everyone exactly the same, they all wore green, so they were all green. If someone fuked up, it was on that person, not his racial identity, but on his failure to follow  rules and orders. That is how I was taught to lead my platoon-a combat arms platoon-As an acting First Sgt I treated everyone in the company the same, always. Black, white, yellow, brown all = green. No more, no less. And yes, I was around, as an E-5 and 6 when the race riots(prior to the draft being dropped) were happening, one happened in my unit. It was shut dwn very quickly and the perps were arrested and removed from the unit within hours.(as was the unit commander who was white and was very much a racist)PC has no use in any military unit. It is contrary to morale, good order and discipline. and also, yes we had some known gays in every unit I was in. We knew who they were, they were treated-by me anyway if they were under my command-exactly like everyone else. I did not allow any racial or any BS against anyone while on duty. Everyone worked together, all facing the same direction.If for no other reason that their lives depended on knowing that they could depend on the man next to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Worried observer only.  Zero first hand knowledge.  Trying to offer the few thoughts that occur to me, in case they spark better thoughts in others.  That&#039;s all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worried observer only.  Zero first hand knowledge.  Trying to offer the few thoughts that occur to me, in case they spark better thoughts in others.  That&#8217;s all.</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;OTOH, on the theme that this was a guy who was getting very frustrated and unhappy in the military and gave off signs that he may have been getting unstable in his anger and frustration, I do think that things like his presentations were “suspicious” in the sense that they should have created a different and more investigative response in the military.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I suppose one possibile explanation would be if the current average/general level of upset, frustration, resistance, etc. of those getting deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan is running so high that Hasan&#039;s stressed tenor didn&#039;t stand out against everyone else&#039;s.  I don&#039;t have the background sense to evaluate that, does anyone else here?

For that matter, does anyone here know whether the weapon purchase was actually unusual for someone about to deploy?  Again I don&#039;t, but I also remember a long history of stories about soldiers buying their own battle gear -- bulletproof vests, vehicle armor etc. -- because the USG was persistently failing to adequately equip them for their safety in-theater.  Does that gap extend to weapons?  Hasan&#039;s time at Walter Reed would, one imagines, have exposed him to some of the most extreme stories/information about USG failures to support soldiers in the field.  From that POV, making sure he had a really good self defense weapon before deploying might have been a rational step, especially since he knew he&#039;d be in extended close contact with whatever number of soldiers and contractors the insane war has made insane with indiscriminate, murderous Islamophobia.  Whatever actions against him by fellow soldiers could be assumed to be more destructive than what he&#039;d already experienced stateside.

Of course from the POV of his previous history, the attack was the opposite of rational.  But put all the elements together that were present just before the attack, and you&#039;ve got a potentially highly explosive pile.  As far as understanding what happened goes, the big question at this point is not the prior history and the intel - law enforcement handling of it, but rather why did he go astable at that point -- was it premeditated?, was there some further and extreme provocation we don&#039;t know about yet and he snapped?, did something entirely different in nature happen to make Hasan go a little funny in the head?  Again, irrational based on what came before.  The previous history as we know it so far while concerning did not rise to a level that would have supported a prediction of mass mayhem.

That is not meant to minimize in any way the importance of heading off the opportunistic, disingenuous grabs of power and Constitutional rights by Lieberman, CrazyPete, et al.    In that sense (and in that sense only) I agree that this attack is analogous to 9/11, though unlike last time, this time we actually have a chance to stop the rights erosion train.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>OTOH, on the theme that this was a guy who was getting very frustrated and unhappy in the military and gave off signs that he may have been getting unstable in his anger and frustration, I do think that things like his presentations were “suspicious” in the sense that they should have created a different and more investigative response in the military.</p></blockquote>
<p>I suppose one possibile explanation would be if the current average/general level of upset, frustration, resistance, etc. of those getting deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan is running so high that Hasan&#8217;s stressed tenor didn&#8217;t stand out against everyone else&#8217;s.  I don&#8217;t have the background sense to evaluate that, does anyone else here?</p>
<p>For that matter, does anyone here know whether the weapon purchase was actually unusual for someone about to deploy?  Again I don&#8217;t, but I also remember a long history of stories about soldiers buying their own battle gear &#8212; bulletproof vests, vehicle armor etc. &#8212; because the USG was persistently failing to adequately equip them for their safety in-theater.  Does that gap extend to weapons?  Hasan&#8217;s time at Walter Reed would, one imagines, have exposed him to some of the most extreme stories/information about USG failures to support soldiers in the field.  From that POV, making sure he had a really good self defense weapon before deploying might have been a rational step, especially since he knew he&#8217;d be in extended close contact with whatever number of soldiers and contractors the insane war has made insane with indiscriminate, murderous Islamophobia.  Whatever actions against him by fellow soldiers could be assumed to be more destructive than what he&#8217;d already experienced stateside.</p>
<p>Of course from the POV of his previous history, the attack was the opposite of rational.  But put all the elements together that were present just before the attack, and you&#8217;ve got a potentially highly explosive pile.  As far as understanding what happened goes, the big question at this point is not the prior history and the intel &#8211; law enforcement handling of it, but rather why did he go astable at that point &#8212; was it premeditated?, was there some further and extreme provocation we don&#8217;t know about yet and he snapped?, did something entirely different in nature happen to make Hasan go a little funny in the head?  Again, irrational based on what came before.  The previous history as we know it so far while concerning did not rise to a level that would have supported a prediction of mass mayhem.</p>
<p>That is not meant to minimize in any way the importance of heading off the opportunistic, disingenuous grabs of power and Constitutional rights by Lieberman, CrazyPete, et al.    In that sense (and in that sense only) I agree that this attack is analogous to 9/11, though unlike last time, this time we actually have a chance to stop the rights erosion train.</p>
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