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	<title>Comments on: Maybe We Can Have Prayer Treatments Instead of Reproductive Care?</title>
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		<title>By: JohnnyTable70</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/11/09/maybe-we-can-have-prayer-treatments-instead-of-reproductive-care/#comment-198282</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnnyTable70</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is such a thing as a medically necessary abortion. I know a friend who was once pregnant w/ twins...One had no heartbeat and soon after so did the other fetus. Keeping the dead fetus&#039; in utero could actually kill the mother with sepsis, so an abortion would not only save the woman&#039;s life, it would also maintain her ability to have children in the future.

Did Stupak and his ilk have this in mind with their all-encompassing ban of abortion? Maybe, maybe not. But one thing is certain, the abortion issue is not as black and white as some people would have you believe. The fact that insurance companies will use this as a way to avoid paying for medically necessary treatment actually maintains our horrid status quo where pimply pencil pushers posit  on how a physician should practice medicine (alliteration intentional).

When insurance companies routinely cover pills to get a man&#039;s dick hard but not birth control, the system is stacked against women. It has largely been decided by men making choices about how they will decide what a woman can and cannot do to their own body. As bad as that is, the Stupak amendment is so dangerously stupid and naive that it could potentially kill some women and leave others sterile. I suppose that is what the Michigan Democrat meant by protecting the culture of life.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is such a thing as a medically necessary abortion. I know a friend who was once pregnant w/ twins&#8230;One had no heartbeat and soon after so did the other fetus. Keeping the dead fetus&#8217; in utero could actually kill the mother with sepsis, so an abortion would not only save the woman&#8217;s life, it would also maintain her ability to have children in the future.</p>
<p>Did Stupak and his ilk have this in mind with their all-encompassing ban of abortion? Maybe, maybe not. But one thing is certain, the abortion issue is not as black and white as some people would have you believe. The fact that insurance companies will use this as a way to avoid paying for medically necessary treatment actually maintains our horrid status quo where pimply pencil pushers posit  on how a physician should practice medicine (alliteration intentional).</p>
<p>When insurance companies routinely cover pills to get a man&#8217;s dick hard but not birth control, the system is stacked against women. It has largely been decided by men making choices about how they will decide what a woman can and cannot do to their own body. As bad as that is, the Stupak amendment is so dangerously stupid and naive that it could potentially kill some women and leave others sterile. I suppose that is what the Michigan Democrat meant by protecting the culture of life.</p>
<p>Snip.</p>
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		<title>By: PJEvans</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJEvans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It can&#039;t happen to them (or their families). They think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It can&#8217;t happen to them (or their families). They think.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/11/09/maybe-we-can-have-prayer-treatments-instead-of-reproductive-care/#comment-198151</link>
		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EW, without going into details,  I am convinced that most of the Stupak supporters in Congress have no clue about the health effects of breast cancer and pregnancy.  (Because of hormone changes triggered by pregnancy, the implications for a young woman who has had breast cancer on her overall health if she becomes pregnant are not the same as those for a woman who has no history of breast cancer).
I&#039;ll leave it at that for now.

Stupak and his buddies are not coming to terms with the growing rates of breast cancers, particularly in younger women.
They are clueless.

Their stupidity is just breathtaking.
And chilling.


Strangely, Harry Reid should have some idea about this.
Here&#039;s hoping that someone hands him a copy of Terry Tempest William&#039;s &quot;Refuge&quot;.  And soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EW, without going into details,  I am convinced that most of the Stupak supporters in Congress have no clue about the health effects of breast cancer and pregnancy.  (Because of hormone changes triggered by pregnancy, the implications for a young woman who has had breast cancer on her overall health if she becomes pregnant are not the same as those for a woman who has no history of breast cancer).<br />
I&#8217;ll leave it at that for now.</p>
<p>Stupak and his buddies are not coming to terms with the growing rates of breast cancers, particularly in younger women.<br />
They are clueless.</p>
<p>Their stupidity is just breathtaking.<br />
And chilling.</p>
<p>Strangely, Harry Reid should have some idea about this.<br />
Here&#8217;s hoping that someone hands him a copy of Terry Tempest William&#8217;s &#8220;Refuge&#8221;.  And soon.</p>
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		<title>By: posaune</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/11/09/maybe-we-can-have-prayer-treatments-instead-of-reproductive-care/#comment-198136</link>
		<dc:creator>posaune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>isn&#039;t the Christian Science HQ in Boston?    Kerry contributor?   hmmm..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>isn&#8217;t the Christian Science HQ in Boston?    Kerry contributor?   hmmm..</p>
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		<title>By: posaune</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/11/09/maybe-we-can-have-prayer-treatments-instead-of-reproductive-care/#comment-198135</link>
		<dc:creator>posaune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how about sweat lodges?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how about sweat lodges?</p>
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		<title>By: person1597</title>
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		<dc:creator>person1597</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would Mary Baker Eddy say?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Sickness is more than fancy; it is solid conviction. It	
is therefore to be dealt with through right ap-
prehension of the truth of being. If Christian healing
is abused by mere smatterers in Science, it becomes a
tedious mischief-maker. Instead of scientifically effect-
ing a cure, it starts a petty crossfire over every cripple
and invalid, buffeting them with the superficial and cold
assertion, &quot;Nothing ails you.&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I can&#039;t imagine the government insurers setting standards and negotiating rates for CS practitioners.  As EW points out, the church-state separation dissolves.

The intent to seem &quot;inclusive&quot; wrt to alternative treatments is well-meaning but falls far short of the mark when basic doctor-provided services are excluded.  

&lt;strong&gt;It would be far more useful for the feds to grow pot and use the proceeds to fund free clinics.&lt;/strong&gt;
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Government, heal thyself!!&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would Mary Baker Eddy say?</p>
<blockquote><p>Sickness is more than fancy; it is solid conviction. It<br />
is therefore to be dealt with through right ap-<br />
prehension of the truth of being. If Christian healing<br />
is abused by mere smatterers in Science, it becomes a<br />
tedious mischief-maker. Instead of scientifically effect-<br />
ing a cure, it starts a petty crossfire over every cripple<br />
and invalid, buffeting them with the superficial and cold<br />
assertion, &#8220;Nothing ails you.&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>I can&#8217;t imagine the government insurers setting standards and negotiating rates for CS practitioners.  As EW points out, the church-state separation dissolves.</p>
<p>The intent to seem &#8220;inclusive&#8221; wrt to alternative treatments is well-meaning but falls far short of the mark when basic doctor-provided services are excluded.  </p>
<p><strong>It would be far more useful for the feds to grow pot and use the proceeds to fund free clinics.</strong><br />
<em><br />
Government, heal thyself!!</em></p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/11/09/maybe-we-can-have-prayer-treatments-instead-of-reproductive-care/#comment-198132</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe this will cover the snake handling and all the falling down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe this will cover the snake handling and all the falling down.</p>
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		<title>By: LabDancer</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/11/09/maybe-we-can-have-prayer-treatments-instead-of-reproductive-care/#comment-198129</link>
		<dc:creator>LabDancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>from the emptywhictionary: 

phrase: &quot;a very interesting Church/State separation question&quot;

meaning: http://www.mbedard.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=404</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from the emptywhictionary: </p>
<p>phrase: &#8220;a very interesting Church/State separation question&#8221;</p>
<p>meaning: <a href="http://www.mbedard.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=404" rel="nofollow">http://www.mbedard.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=404</a></p>
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		<title>By: fatster</title>
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		<dc:creator>fatster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rise up, Daughters of Lillith!  Yeah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rise up, Daughters of Lillith!  Yeah.</p>
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		<title>By: fatster</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/11/09/maybe-we-can-have-prayer-treatments-instead-of-reproductive-care/#comment-198126</link>
		<dc:creator>fatster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pelosi called RC Bishops and consulted with them before gathering up the pro-choice members of the House, serving them cheeseburgers and telling them the decision on abortion funding.

First Amendment?  Oh, well.

Women&#039;s rights? Pffffffft.  

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-na-pelosi9-2009nov09,0,2168556.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pelosi called RC Bishops and consulted with them before gathering up the pro-choice members of the House, serving them cheeseburgers and telling them the decision on abortion funding.</p>
<p>First Amendment?  Oh, well.</p>
<p>Women&#8217;s rights? Pffffffft.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-na-pelosi9-2009nov09,0,2168556.story" rel="nofollow">Link.</a></p>
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