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	<title>Comments on: Obama DOJ Continues To FlimFlam Judge Lamberth On State Secrets</title>
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		<title>By: lawordisorder</title>
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		<dc:creator>lawordisorder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bugger that means &quot;old world&quot; law then...i kinda had my hopes for the &quot;system&quot; to work for a change

Does that mean were left with the truth commission option? thats gonna be a hard sell on this side of the big river, to us its not about justice in itself its about the order of things went belly up and we need to fix it..its hard to explain but its about when left on you own doing what we do, you kinda tend to be a sucker for - we do this for the right reason thing- and as for now u guys are the checks and balances for us.... basic psyops when u think about it.

Anyway cheer up.... saddle the old warhorse people like me are not meant to live forever..all that we can hope for is that we make a little difference in yhe name of the greater good as in people are more safe and the system gets its dirtbags..just had two cops in mind in texas, if i ever run in to these guys im buying the beer

This is the fun part New sit, new plan..thingy

What does the iranians whant so bad there willing to give up there nukes? Have or not is the wrong ? here, im still thinking the old jerusalem two step as in a saying at the big table peace powwow, plus rock solide ensurance policy from some one that we are not going to mendle with the priests or the way they do biznes? that leave by my qick count chinese and india...and i think chinese is the better option here.. That also give the chinese some mojo i know....back to the vodka drinking folks are we looking for a rouge scientist? god knows there a lot of those wandering around and a couple of old intelmobsters but that goes to the filling cabinet for now.

as for the the POW wow thingy i figured out how to deal with the settlements but thats a peacefull overnight out of the blue thing so i need syria and the saudies onboard as well as the iranians...as for jerusalem itself that is going to be a masterpiece if pulled of

And if done so should be without any blood spilled at all (im a sucker for that bit)

Did I just hang the election demonstrators out to dry? Lets just say i left it up to the iranian people..to decide in the future rumbling the streets int helping the big picture her when faced with a 25000 plus dead in tel aviv and a all out war in persia, afghanistan and were it might lead thats definete a no go for now...thats a downright fookin abyse scenario Im thinking somebody way high up the food chain should take a plain and go visit the iranian president and his boss. Tell him anythings on the table but the nukes Maybee mr. jintao...damn i&#039;ve been handing him som bigtime mojo over the last month or two

The noble art of loosing face may one day save the human race...yahhh i stole that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bugger that means &#8220;old world&#8221; law then&#8230;i kinda had my hopes for the &#8220;system&#8221; to work for a change</p>
<p>Does that mean were left with the truth commission option? thats gonna be a hard sell on this side of the big river, to us its not about justice in itself its about the order of things went belly up and we need to fix it..its hard to explain but its about when left on you own doing what we do, you kinda tend to be a sucker for &#8211; we do this for the right reason thing- and as for now u guys are the checks and balances for us&#8230;. basic psyops when u think about it.</p>
<p>Anyway cheer up&#8230;. saddle the old warhorse people like me are not meant to live forever..all that we can hope for is that we make a little difference in yhe name of the greater good as in people are more safe and the system gets its dirtbags..just had two cops in mind in texas, if i ever run in to these guys im buying the beer</p>
<p>This is the fun part New sit, new plan..thingy</p>
<p>What does the iranians whant so bad there willing to give up there nukes? Have or not is the wrong ? here, im still thinking the old jerusalem two step as in a saying at the big table peace powwow, plus rock solide ensurance policy from some one that we are not going to mendle with the priests or the way they do biznes? that leave by my qick count chinese and india&#8230;and i think chinese is the better option here.. That also give the chinese some mojo i know&#8230;.back to the vodka drinking folks are we looking for a rouge scientist? god knows there a lot of those wandering around and a couple of old intelmobsters but that goes to the filling cabinet for now.</p>
<p>as for the the POW wow thingy i figured out how to deal with the settlements but thats a peacefull overnight out of the blue thing so i need syria and the saudies onboard as well as the iranians&#8230;as for jerusalem itself that is going to be a masterpiece if pulled of</p>
<p>And if done so should be without any blood spilled at all (im a sucker for that bit)</p>
<p>Did I just hang the election demonstrators out to dry? Lets just say i left it up to the iranian people..to decide in the future rumbling the streets int helping the big picture her when faced with a 25000 plus dead in tel aviv and a all out war in persia, afghanistan and were it might lead thats definete a no go for now&#8230;thats a downright fookin abyse scenario Im thinking somebody way high up the food chain should take a plain and go visit the iranian president and his boss. Tell him anythings on the table but the nukes Maybee mr. jintao&#8230;damn i&#8217;ve been handing him som bigtime mojo over the last month or two</p>
<p>The noble art of loosing face may one day save the human race&#8230;yahhh i stole that.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/11/06/obama-doj-continues-to-flimflam-judge-lamberth-on-state-secrets/#comment-197843</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes it is subject to an 8 year statute unless it murder, and no there are very few &quot;clever&quot; ways around statutes of limitations, that just does not happen.  They are jurisdictional and finite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes it is subject to an 8 year statute unless it murder, and no there are very few &#8220;clever&#8221; ways around statutes of limitations, that just does not happen.  They are jurisdictional and finite.</p>
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		<title>By: lawordisorder</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/11/06/obama-doj-continues-to-flimflam-judge-lamberth-on-state-secrets/#comment-197842</link>
		<dc:creator>lawordisorder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are ways around limitations ( dare i mention rendition...kinda gentleman like)ROTFL well that as the say is by all acounts not my desk...but somebody high up do not whant my sorry ass washing his dirty nikers... so do some fancy lawyer swahili thing ...dance a little... think out of the box me boy thats what we do...what crimes do we need him to be guilty off so we work around those lemitations?


Torture is not under statue of limitations is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are ways around limitations ( dare i mention rendition&#8230;kinda gentleman like)ROTFL well that as the say is by all acounts not my desk&#8230;but somebody high up do not whant my sorry ass washing his dirty nikers&#8230; so do some fancy lawyer swahili thing &#8230;dance a little&#8230; think out of the box me boy thats what we do&#8230;what crimes do we need him to be guilty off so we work around those lemitations?</p>
<p>Torture is not under statue of limitations is it?</p>
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		<title>By: fatster</title>
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		<dc:creator>fatster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think this has been linked yet, but if so, my apologies.

&lt;strong&gt;FBI warnings about interrogation tactics&lt;/strong&gt; 
Dated Nov 7, 2009 at 8:44 pm
 &lt;a href=&quot;http://rawstory.com/2009/11/declassified-documents-reveal-fbi-warnings-interrogation-tactics/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link.&lt;/a&gt;

The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scribd.com/doc/22263630/09-Memos&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;documents are here.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think this has been linked yet, but if so, my apologies.</p>
<p><strong>FBI warnings about interrogation tactics</strong><br />
Dated Nov 7, 2009 at 8:44 pm<br />
 <a href="http://rawstory.com/2009/11/declassified-documents-reveal-fbi-warnings-interrogation-tactics/" rel="nofollow">Link.</a></p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/22263630/09-Memos" rel="nofollow">documents are here.</a></p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 01:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bah!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bah!!</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/11/06/obama-doj-continues-to-flimflam-judge-lamberth-on-state-secrets/#comment-197788</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same as for the underlying crimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same as for the underlying crimes.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William Ockham, one item to add to your party platform: information access and copyright/usage issues:  more at &lt;a href=&quot;http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/2009/11/03/clay-shirky-the-social-media-revolution/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Laura Flanders.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William Ockham, one item to add to your party platform: information access and copyright/usage issues:  more at <a href="http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/2009/11/03/clay-shirky-the-social-media-revolution/" rel="nofollow">Laura Flanders.</a></p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gack!!!
I just hate it when you lawyer types disabuse me of my cherished hopes.

Nevertheless, I retain my faith in &#039;human nature&#039;; sooner or later, the proverbial shitfest will start hitting the fan.  What form it might take, I am unqualified to predict.

Are there statutes of limitations on RICO?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gack!!!<br />
I just hate it when you lawyer types disabuse me of my cherished hopes.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, I retain my faith in &#8216;human nature&#8217;; sooner or later, the proverbial shitfest will start hitting the fan.  What form it might take, I am unqualified to predict.</p>
<p>Are there statutes of limitations on RICO?</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are running out of crimes for which the statute of limitations have not run out on.  Even the lying in his interview with Fitzgerald can no longer be charged because the statute has expired.  No, I do not think Karpinsky could come up with anything that can be charged.  As to the waterboarding, you have eight years from the date it was done; time is running out as i believe the last known instance was in 2003 at the latest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are running out of crimes for which the statute of limitations have not run out on.  Even the lying in his interview with Fitzgerald can no longer be charged because the statute has expired.  No, I do not think Karpinsky could come up with anything that can be charged.  As to the waterboarding, you have eight years from the date it was done; time is running out as i believe the last known instance was in 2003 at the latest.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, why ask me?
I&#039;m the one waiting for a Black Swan.

(Although I can attest that I have personally seen black swans, and they are elegant.)

But charged for... hmmmmm....
Obstruction of justice.
RICO, due to the fact that he had a network covering multiple agencies.

Yeah, you can sneer and snort at my ignorance and my idealism; but someone&#039;s sure to turn on Cheney.

You think Janice Karpinski and some of the people that she worked with couldn&#039;t come up with a few charges? I do.

I&#039;m convinced that somewhere, some videos of Cheney online ordering someone to be waterboarded despite the lack of information they produced is going to turn up.  And I say that solely because humans are odd critters; it was in someone&#039;s interest to screw Cheney, if only to keep their own asses out of a prison-for-life scenario.

And we&#039;ve still never gotten to the bottom of that weird flight with 6 live nuclear warheads heading out of North Dakota.  Who knows what happened with that weirdness, but given Cheney&#039;s determined  , ruthless conduct it would not surprise me one bit if one day he were implicated.  I&#039;m **not** saying that he is; however, that kind of thing is consistent with his underhandedness.  If life were a movie, that&#039;d be Act III in the unraveling of Richard Bruce Cheney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, why ask me?<br />
I&#8217;m the one waiting for a Black Swan.</p>
<p>(Although I can attest that I have personally seen black swans, and they are elegant.)</p>
<p>But charged for&#8230; hmmmmm&#8230;.<br />
Obstruction of justice.<br />
RICO, due to the fact that he had a network covering multiple agencies.</p>
<p>Yeah, you can sneer and snort at my ignorance and my idealism; but someone&#8217;s sure to turn on Cheney.</p>
<p>You think Janice Karpinski and some of the people that she worked with couldn&#8217;t come up with a few charges? I do.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m convinced that somewhere, some videos of Cheney online ordering someone to be waterboarded despite the lack of information they produced is going to turn up.  And I say that solely because humans are odd critters; it was in someone&#8217;s interest to screw Cheney, if only to keep their own asses out of a prison-for-life scenario.</p>
<p>And we&#8217;ve still never gotten to the bottom of that weird flight with 6 live nuclear warheads heading out of North Dakota.  Who knows what happened with that weirdness, but given Cheney&#8217;s determined  , ruthless conduct it would not surprise me one bit if one day he were implicated.  I&#8217;m **not** saying that he is; however, that kind of thing is consistent with his underhandedness.  If life were a movie, that&#8217;d be Act III in the unraveling of Richard Bruce Cheney.</p>
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