Comments on: Cheney Now Remembers CIA-Related Information!!

By: bmaz

bmaz — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:35:22 +0000

You mentioned the US discrimination line, I responded to that; it is not limited to that. I have no idea whether copies or originals still exist, but the operational premise at this point is that they do not. There has been mention that Principles did view, but that may have been remotely and not off the tapes; I do not think any of that is certain.

By: alinaustex

alinaustex — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:26:20 +0000

bmaz@75
So for discussion sake – the torture /homocide would have had to occurred in the United States even if evidence was brought forth from recovered media that the orders to committ the torture /homicide came from senior Principals in the Executive ?.
Also bmaz do you think it my be true that all the ‘tapes’ were not destroyed -and that many of these “tapes” were viewed by Principals in the Executive Branch ?

By: bmaz

bmaz — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:17:19 +0000

He is wrong. There would be no statute for the death itself; for destruction of evidence there still would be. No, I am not aware of any deaths in the US unless you try to count Guantanamo, but my guess is based on the inclination of the court in Rasul that would not hold up.

By: alinaustex

alinaustex — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:40:16 +0000

bmaz@65
Except the SOL does not apply ( I am told by yet another lawyer -this one a local defense attorney ) for the destruction of the torture ‘media’ if that same media was evidence in a homicide .
There were detainees murdered while in United States custody yes ?

By: thatvisionthing

thatvisionthing — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 02:53:10 +0000

Everything I know about the Constitution I learned from Star Trek:

http://www.youtube.com/user/beachblogger#p/u/18/ipe5EjcchvY

(what happens when citizens couldn’t touch their government)

Just saying.

By: thatvisionthing

thatvisionthing — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:44:27 +0000

I truly, TRULY object to the phrase “citizen mobs” in this discussion. Before November 5, 2008, we were called something else, and I recall a certain candidate saying “if crimes have been committed, they should be investigated” and “Now, if I found out that there were high officials who knowingly, consciously broke existing laws, engaged in coverups of those crimes with knowledge forefront, then I think a basic principle of our Constitution is nobody above the law.” (#57 above) I also do not think this system of politicized crippled justice is “working just fine” (dude, seriously?). Instead I’d call it democracy rotting from the inside out. The last healthy part is the citizens, as I see it, and which is also exactly what the Constitution apparently expected. We the People, highest authority, checks and balances, you know. Just saying, there’s a broken circuit if the citizens can’t touch their government and make it work. There must be something missing or something extra, the thing is diseased.

By: bmaz

bmaz — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:23:08 +0000

To charge or not to charge is solely the province of the executive branch as exercised through prosecutorial discretion. That is just the way it is and it would be inadvisable to have outside forces, especially citizen mobs, determining who gets charged and who does not. No system is perfect, but this one works. Your beef is not with the system, it works just fine; the problem is with the people inhabiting the system. It is society’s job to police that and to give a damn.

By: thatvisionthing

thatvisionthing — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:09:07 +0000

Where did the prosecutors get the right to frame an innocent person? It’s surely not in the Constitution — ?

And where do prosecutors get the power to NOT charge crimes? Is there a way for the public to impeach failed functionaries including attorneys general? I know I saw some efforts toward local impeachment of Bush during his occupation, but I don’t understand what they were or could be.

By: bmaz

bmaz — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:47:11 +0000

The ballot box and social activism.

By: thatvisionthing

thatvisionthing — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:42:52 +0000

I get that, but it’s also clearly unjust and I’m trying to find the path to justice. There has to be one. As to the “no constitutional right not to be framed” — !? Not anywhere? Where do prosecutors constitutionally get the right and power to frame an innocent black high school captain of his football team being recruited by Yale only to end up imprisoned for life? Splode splode splode

They do all this crap in my name. Where’s MY power to disable that and get justice?