Comments on: Still in the Rendition Business? http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/11/02/still-in-the-rendition-business/ Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:48:32 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: joanneleon http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/11/02/still-in-the-rendition-business/#comment-197214 joanneleon Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:33:58 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/?p=5641#comment-197214 A company name L-3 Communications is in the special ops (assassination) business? Wow. A company name L-3 Communications is in the special ops (assassination) business? Wow.

]]> By: cinnamonape http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/11/02/still-in-the-rendition-business/#comment-197145 cinnamonape Tue, 03 Nov 2009 01:07:06 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/?p=5641#comment-197145 It goes back further than Clinton...recall the tale of Manuel Noriega. It goes back further than Clinton…recall the tale of Manuel Noriega.

]]> By: Sara http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/11/02/still-in-the-rendition-business/#comment-197130 Sara Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:56:16 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/?p=5641#comment-197130 About a month ago both the Afghan and Pakistani press reported on the capture of several Pakistani ethnic, British Subject combatants -- if I remember the story rightly, it was a few near the Af/Pak border, and a few others in Helmand. They were, apparently embedded with the Afghani Taliban when they were captured. I don't remember if they were captured by US, British, Afghan or other NATO military units, but there was much speculation they would be returned to British Courts to stand trial. In recent months the British seem to have increased the pressure on Pakistan regarding allowing British Subjects to join Madrassa linked to the Taliban, either Afghani or Pakistani, and then go on to fight with the various organizations. Obviously, the primary British Concern is that they will return to GB, and organize terroristic events on British soil, but the British have also been quite loud about getting Pakistan to enforce their own laws which prohibit the Madrassas enrolling Foreign students without special exemptions that include permission from home governments. Both the British and the US funded the Musharraf Government pretty big time to enforce these rules, but the money went to waste, and now they are putting the pressure on Pakistan to enforce their laws. No way of knowing, but SAS and CIA could very well have been in the business of just moving British Subjects caught in combat in Afghanistan back to GB for trial. CIA has the available planes, the SAS may be trading access to intelligence for flights. They are clearly following a parallel policy in putting the screws to Pak ISI and the Army on this matter. It may not, (and I stress may) be rendition at all. About a month ago both the Afghan and Pakistani press reported on the capture of several Pakistani ethnic, British Subject combatants — if I remember the story rightly, it was a few near the Af/Pak border, and a few others in Helmand. They were, apparently embedded with the Afghani Taliban when they were captured. I don’t remember if they were captured by US, British, Afghan or other NATO military units, but there was much speculation they would be returned to British Courts to stand trial.

In recent months the British seem to have increased the pressure on Pakistan regarding allowing British Subjects to join Madrassa linked to the Taliban, either Afghani or Pakistani, and then go on to fight with the various organizations. Obviously, the primary British Concern is that they will return to GB, and organize terroristic events on British soil, but the British have also been quite loud about getting Pakistan to enforce their own laws which prohibit the Madrassas enrolling Foreign students without special exemptions that include permission from home governments. Both the British and the US funded the Musharraf Government pretty big time to enforce these rules, but the money went to waste, and now they are putting the pressure on Pakistan to enforce their laws.

No way of knowing, but SAS and CIA could very well have been in the business of just moving British Subjects caught in combat in Afghanistan back to GB for trial. CIA has the available planes, the SAS may be trading access to intelligence for flights. They are clearly following a parallel policy in putting the screws to Pak ISI and the Army on this matter. It may not, (and I stress may) be rendition at all.

]]> By: kindGSL http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/11/02/still-in-the-rendition-business/#comment-197111 kindGSL Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:49:27 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/?p=5641#comment-197111 What about illegal drugs? What about illegal drugs?

]]> By: tjbs http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/11/02/still-in-the-rendition-business/#comment-197110 tjbs Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:43:53 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/?p=5641#comment-197110 Justice is coming ! Justice will out in the end ! Maybe not in our lifetime, maybe not from within our country, maybe not as soon as to give relief to those slighted,to say the very least,as we would dare to dream for the innocent victims but it's God Damn coming ! When dick warns about dithering , watch out because he knows what he's talking about. On 9-11 dick took control of NORAD, without any military experience, and after the first tower was hit he<strong> DITHERED </strong> and kept his fat ass in the command seat of power, after which the second tower was hit, he <strong>DITHERED </strong> again which directly led to the Pentagon being hit. The guy's criminally insane and will be brought down by JUSTICE SWEET JUSTICE. Justice is coming !

Justice will out in the end !

Maybe not in our lifetime, maybe not from within our country, maybe not as soon as to give relief to those slighted,to say the very least,as we would dare to dream for the innocent victims but it’s God Damn coming !

When dick warns about dithering , watch out because he knows what he’s talking about. On 9-11 dick took control of NORAD, without any military experience, and after the first tower was hit he DITHERED and kept his fat ass in the command seat of power, after which the second tower was hit, he DITHERED again which directly led to the Pentagon being hit. The guy’s criminally insane and will be brought down by JUSTICE SWEET JUSTICE.

]]> By: skdadl http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/11/02/still-in-the-rendition-business/#comment-197109 skdadl Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:42:48 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/?p=5641#comment-197109 Thanks, Mary. I think I actually do have a tenuous grasp on that, if I keep reading it over a few times. Thanks, Mary. I think I actually do have a tenuous grasp on that, if I keep reading it over a few times.

]]> By: Mary http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/11/02/still-in-the-rendition-business/#comment-197107 Mary Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:34:25 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/?p=5641#comment-197107 Oh - ok, the same story was in my yahoo news links, which I think are Reuters, too, so I didn't click through. Sorry. Oh – ok, the same story was in my yahoo news links, which I think are Reuters, too, so I didn’t click through. Sorry.

]]> By: emptywheel http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/11/02/still-in-the-rendition-business/#comment-197103 emptywheel Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:27:29 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/?p=5641#comment-197103 The one in the post. But the Guardian has the same story. The one in the post. But the Guardian has the same story.

]]> By: Mary http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/11/02/still-in-the-rendition-business/#comment-197102 Mary Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:16:01 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/?p=5641#comment-197102 Which/what Daily Mail story are you referencing? Which/what Daily Mail story are you referencing?

]]> By: Mary http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/11/02/still-in-the-rendition-business/#comment-197101 Mary Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:14:09 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/?p=5641#comment-197101 I think it's all the damned references to provoking hesitation that are making me so angry. It should "provoke hesitation" for a court to impose accountablilty on Executive branch members who engaged, without hesitation and with much collegiality and public degredation fo their victims, in torture renditions. I'm reeling in the years on this one - the things they think are precious, the things that pass for knowledge, the things they think are useless - I'm just not understanding. It really doesn't feel like America when you read something like that opinion. I think it’s all the damned references to provoking hesitation that are making me so angry.

It should “provoke hesitation” for a court to impose accountablilty on Executive branch members who engaged, without hesitation and with much collegiality and public degredation fo their victims, in torture renditions.

I’m reeling in the years on this one – the things they think are precious, the things that pass for knowledge, the things they think are useless – I’m just not understanding. It really doesn’t feel like America when you read something like that opinion.

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