Comments on: Building the New Economy Conference http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/27/building-the-new-economy-conference/ Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:48:32 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Petrocelli http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/27/building-the-new-economy-conference/#comment-196268 Petrocelli Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:11:34 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/?p=5439#comment-196268 <strong>Seconded</strong> ... <em>except have Alan Grayson ring HoJo's Bell !</em> If you have that much fun, you might never return to MI ... <strong>*g*</strong> Seconded … except have Alan Grayson ring HoJo’s Bell !

If you have that much fun, you might never return to MI … *g*

]]> By: bobschacht http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/27/building-the-new-economy-conference/#comment-196251 bobschacht Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:02:40 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/?p=5439#comment-196251 And what would that do to the gills of water-breathing fish that happened to come by? And Rachel Maddow had on her show the other day about great <a href="http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/10/photogalleries/ocean-mucus-sea-pictures/index.html" rel="nofollow">gobs of sea phlegm</a>. Unfortunately, there don't seem to be any garbage fish that eat the stuff (yeech). Bob in AZ And what would that do to the gills of water-breathing fish that happened to come by?

And Rachel Maddow had on her show the other day about great gobs of sea phlegm. Unfortunately, there don’t seem to be any garbage fish that eat the stuff (yeech).

Bob in AZ

]]> By: bobschacht http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/27/building-the-new-economy-conference/#comment-196250 bobschacht Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:56:19 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/?p=5439#comment-196250 There needs to be a strengthened UN Ocean Patrol that can (a) arrest vessels of any nation dumping stuff illegally into the ocean, and (b)engage in clean-up activities financed by a tax on every member nation and fines on illegal dumping. This presupposes adequate UN International laws governing the use of International waters. I think this will be one of the UN's major challenges of the 21st century. Similarly, the UN needs a major Department of Ocean Ecology to manage and preserve oceanic species stocks of all kinds (including polar bears in the Arctic). Right now, oceanic stocks are being depleted at an alarming rate. Finally, the plastic garbage issue is complicated by the fact that it is not just the gross plastic trash that you can see with the naked eye that is a problem. In these oceanic garbage dumps there are enormous quantities of microscopic and near-microscopic pieces of plastic that can clog the gills of fish and other water-breathers. Right now, there is little or no regulation of deep sea resource exploitation. The situation is really a mess, and needs immediate attention. Bob in AZ who used to live in HI There needs to be a strengthened UN Ocean Patrol that can (a) arrest vessels of any nation dumping stuff illegally into the ocean, and (b)engage in clean-up activities financed by a tax on every member nation and fines on illegal dumping. This presupposes adequate UN International laws governing the use of International waters. I think this will be one of the UN’s major challenges of the 21st century.

Similarly, the UN needs a major Department of Ocean Ecology to manage and preserve oceanic species stocks of all kinds (including polar bears in the Arctic). Right now, oceanic stocks are being depleted at an alarming rate.

Finally, the plastic garbage issue is complicated by the fact that it is not just the gross plastic trash that you can see with the naked eye that is a problem. In these oceanic garbage dumps there are enormous quantities of microscopic and near-microscopic pieces of plastic that can clog the gills of fish and other water-breathers. Right now, there is little or no regulation of deep sea resource exploitation. The situation is really a mess, and needs immediate attention.

Bob in AZ
who used to live in HI

]]> By: kindGSL http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/27/building-the-new-economy-conference/#comment-196241 kindGSL Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:54:04 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/?p=5439#comment-196241 I would call him a drug dealing, war mongering traitor to his face, but then I have actually been tortured (by order of his committee). I would call him a drug dealing, war mongering traitor to his face, but then I have actually been tortured (by order of his committee).

]]> By: kindGSL http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/27/building-the-new-economy-conference/#comment-196240 kindGSL Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:52:04 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/?p=5439#comment-196240 If you could make the plastic sticky so it would consolidate into a series of floating islands, it could become valuable real estate. If you could make the plastic sticky so it would consolidate into a series of floating islands, it could become valuable real estate.

]]> By: phred http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/27/building-the-new-economy-conference/#comment-196226 phred Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:34:33 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/?p=5439#comment-196226 Huh. I just edited my comment a little bit and all the carriage returns that created multiple paragraphs were removed. I tried to re-edit it, to no avail. I know there have been recent software updates, so just thought I would mention it. Huh. I just edited my comment a little bit and all the carriage returns that created multiple paragraphs were removed. I tried to re-edit it, to no avail. I know there have been recent software updates, so just thought I would mention it.

]]> By: phred http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/27/building-the-new-economy-conference/#comment-196225 phred Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:29:59 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/?p=5439#comment-196225 I would just like to second everything MadDog said : ) I'm really looking forward to hearing about this conference EW. I'm particularly interested to learn how much discussion there will be about restructuring the perverse incentives built into our current economic framework. Will the discussion just be about restoring manufacturing within the current system or will they also discuss redesigning trade agreements, properly accounting for energy/life-cycle costs in products, creating a competitve environment where many small companies can thrive to move us away from too-big-to-fail industries? I would also love to hear if there is anything said about reorienting our economy away from the Wall Street driven short term gambling returns to a more stable long-term investment model. Whatever is discussed, I'm looking forward to reading about it... Have fun! I would just like to second everything MadDog said : )

I’m really looking forward to hearing about this conference EW. I’m particularly interested to learn how much discussion there will be about restructuring the perverse incentives built into our current economic framework.

Will the discussion just be about restoring manufacturing within the current system or will they also discuss redesigning trade agreements, properly accounting for energy/life-cycle costs in products, creating a competitve environment where many small companies can thrive to move us away from too-big-to-fail industries? I would also love to hear if there is anything said about reorienting our economy away from the Wall Street driven short term gambling returns to a more stable long-term investment model.

Whatever is discussed, I’m looking forward to reading about it… Have fun!

]]> By: selise http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/27/building-the-new-economy-conference/#comment-196216 selise Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:22:17 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/?p=5439#comment-196216 marcy, will galbraith be there? i hope so, there is a lot of economic nonsense (of the neoliberal variety) that informs most democratic discussions on the economy. if you haven't been reading them already, may i suggest some heterodox economists (post keynesian variety although there is some disagreement / different insights and approaches) to you? <a href="http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/" rel="nofollow">steve keen</a> (i wish every progressive would read his "debunking economics"), <a href="http://www.moslereconomics.com/mandatory-readings/" rel="nofollow">warren mosler</a>, <a href="http://neweconomicperspectives.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">randy wray</a> (i've just ordered his "understanding modern money" as several people have told me it is also an excellent resource) and <a href="http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog" rel="nofollow">bill mitchell</a>. they all have blogs (at the links) and seem quite interested in helping the interested non economist. also many good papers available at <a href="http://www.levy.org/" rel="nofollow">levy institute</a>. lots more, but i will stop there. have a great trip. (and p.s. after your trip, when you have time, could you please explain how healthcare is going to be fixed by a public option in a weakly regulated multipayer system? more neoliberal nonsense as far as i'm concerned but would welcome the opportunity to change my mind on that) marcy, will galbraith be there? i hope so, there is a lot of economic nonsense (of the neoliberal variety) that informs most democratic discussions on the economy. if you haven’t been reading them already, may i suggest some heterodox economists (post keynesian variety although there is some disagreement / different insights and approaches) to you? steve keen (i wish every progressive would read his “debunking economics”), warren mosler, randy wray (i’ve just ordered his “understanding modern money” as several people have told me it is also an excellent resource) and bill mitchell. they all have blogs (at the links) and seem quite interested in helping the interested non economist. also many good papers available at levy institute.

lots more, but i will stop there. have a great trip. (and p.s. after your trip, when you have time, could you please explain how healthcare is going to be fixed by a public option in a weakly regulated multipayer system? more neoliberal nonsense as far as i’m concerned but would welcome the opportunity to change my mind on that)

]]> By: 4jkb4ia http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/27/building-the-new-economy-conference/#comment-196214 4jkb4ia Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:06:49 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/?p=5439#comment-196214 EW, have a great time. I hope that you learn something. behindthefall's comment is spot on but the administration is obviously aware of the "green jobs" issue as it is one of the few concrete economic proposals they campaigned on. It is important to share knowledge of what it takes to create jobs among the general public. EW, have a great time. I hope that you learn something. behindthefall’s comment is spot on but the administration is obviously aware of the “green jobs” issue as it is one of the few concrete economic proposals they campaigned on. It is important to share knowledge of what it takes to create jobs among the general public.

]]> By: 4jkb4ia http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/27/building-the-new-economy-conference/#comment-196213 4jkb4ia Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:59:43 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/?p=5439#comment-196213 I definitely need the part in <a href="http://www.webyeshiva.org/class.php?cid=200" rel="nofollow">this class</a> about rebuke. I definitely need the part in this class about rebuke.

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