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		<title>By: ferrarimanf355</title>
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		<dc:creator>ferrarimanf355</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t afford a Ferrari outside of video games, at least let me be a little realistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t afford a Ferrari outside of video games, at least let me be a little realistic.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is hard to take seriously a guy who has the chutzpah to call himself Ferrariman, yet pines openly and lustfully for common Fords and Mitsubishis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is hard to take seriously a guy who has the chutzpah to call himself Ferrariman, yet pines openly and lustfully for common Fords and Mitsubishis.</p>
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		<title>By: ferrarimanf355</title>
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		<dc:creator>ferrarimanf355</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Says you.</description>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, well, this does not prove up in the least the dissent you so antagonistically lodged at all I am afraid; so I wouldn&#039;t hold my breath if I were you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, well, this does not prove up in the least the dissent you so antagonistically lodged at all I am afraid; so I wouldn&#8217;t hold my breath if I were you.</p>
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		<title>By: ferrarimanf355</title>
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		<dc:creator>ferrarimanf355</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, to the asshole who called me a &quot;fucking idiot&quot; for daring to dissent, I demand an apology.

Secondly, I&#039;m now seriously considering getting a Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution MR. I don&#039;t care that it&#039;s made in Japan, as long as it goes fast...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, to the asshole who called me a &#8220;fucking idiot&#8221; for daring to dissent, I demand an apology.</p>
<p>Secondly, I&#8217;m now seriously considering getting a Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution MR. I don&#8217;t care that it&#8217;s made in Japan, as long as it goes fast&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 04:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So it is no wonder that senior management knows little or nothing about their own businesses and lots about running hedge funds. Management is now a specialty branch of finance. People who know an actual business are seen as specialized machine tools: they are at best a necessary cost that shuld be eliminated as the company pares itself down to the purely financial type of entity its management understands. Ultimately, that entity is a Ponzi scheme, finance at its purest.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I have heard several versions of this story; yours seems the cleanest, most cogent synthesis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So it is no wonder that senior management knows little or nothing about their own businesses and lots about running hedge funds. Management is now a specialty branch of finance. People who know an actual business are seen as specialized machine tools: they are at best a necessary cost that shuld be eliminated as the company pares itself down to the purely financial type of entity its management understands. Ultimately, that entity is a Ponzi scheme, finance at its purest.</p></blockquote>
<p>I have heard several versions of this story; yours seems the cleanest, most cogent synthesis.</p>
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		<title>By: fatster</title>
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		<dc:creator>fatster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very fascinating, indeed, Hmmm.  Definitely.  Many thnx.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very fascinating, indeed, Hmmm.  Definitely.  Many thnx.</p>
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		<title>By: robspierre</title>
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		<dc:creator>robspierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are spot on. 

One cause is the way that managers get onto the managerial track these days. 

In my first years in the work force, in the large companies that I have worked for, a large proportion of the managers had been promoted from the ranks. At the executive level, they tended to be engineers, chemists, former academics in related disciplines, or particularly successful salesmen. They were mostly within ten years of retirement at the time.

Starting about ten years ago, this changed. Vertical mobility vanished. Middle managers came in with brand new MBAs in Finance and settled in to spend their careers more or less at their entry level. They started green and stayed that way. Executive management came in from an ever smaller circle of executive positions elsewhere in the industry or, increasingly, from financial businesses. 

Moreover, a large chunk of any large business is now pure finance, regardless of the nominal industry niche it inhabits. GMAC was a huge chunk of GM&#039;s business. GE Finance is now rivals the jet engine, generator, and appliance branches of the business. 

So it is no wonder that senior management knows little or nothing about their own businesses and lots about running hedge funds. Management is now a specialty branch of finance. People who know an actual business are seen as specialized machine tools: they are at best a necessary cost that shuld be eliminated as the company pares itself down to the purely financial type of entity its management understands. Ultimately, that entity is a Ponzi scheme, finance at its purest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are spot on. </p>
<p>One cause is the way that managers get onto the managerial track these days. </p>
<p>In my first years in the work force, in the large companies that I have worked for, a large proportion of the managers had been promoted from the ranks. At the executive level, they tended to be engineers, chemists, former academics in related disciplines, or particularly successful salesmen. They were mostly within ten years of retirement at the time.</p>
<p>Starting about ten years ago, this changed. Vertical mobility vanished. Middle managers came in with brand new MBAs in Finance and settled in to spend their careers more or less at their entry level. They started green and stayed that way. Executive management came in from an ever smaller circle of executive positions elsewhere in the industry or, increasingly, from financial businesses. </p>
<p>Moreover, a large chunk of any large business is now pure finance, regardless of the nominal industry niche it inhabits. GMAC was a huge chunk of GM&#8217;s business. GE Finance is now rivals the jet engine, generator, and appliance branches of the business. </p>
<p>So it is no wonder that senior management knows little or nothing about their own businesses and lots about running hedge funds. Management is now a specialty branch of finance. People who know an actual business are seen as specialized machine tools: they are at best a necessary cost that shuld be eliminated as the company pares itself down to the purely financial type of entity its management understands. Ultimately, that entity is a Ponzi scheme, finance at its purest.</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Late night, time to take out the trash-- which is what the Phillies have done with the Dodger&#039;s pitching staff. Heck, they act like they&#039;ve been here before.

Bob in AZ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Late night, time to take out the trash&#8211; which is what the Phillies have done with the Dodger&#8217;s pitching staff. Heck, they act like they&#8217;ve been here before.</p>
<p>Bob in AZ</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MD, 
Can you or bmaz or someone do a recap of this case for us?
Solicitor General = Kagan?
So is this a victory for Bush/Obama obstruction?

Here&#039;s the last sentence of the EFF presser:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The practical effect of today&#039;s order is that important documents shedding light on the telecoms&#039; push for retroactive immunity will not be available to the public as Congress debates whether to repeal that immunity, at least until January.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

My short summary: &quot;Ha Ha! We got a delay to give time for our lackeys in Congress to cover our asses! Hahahahaha!&quot;

Is that about right?

Bob in AZ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MD,<br />
Can you or bmaz or someone do a recap of this case for us?<br />
Solicitor General = Kagan?<br />
So is this a victory for Bush/Obama obstruction?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the last sentence of the EFF presser:</p>
<blockquote><p>The practical effect of today&#8217;s order is that important documents shedding light on the telecoms&#8217; push for retroactive immunity will not be available to the public as Congress debates whether to repeal that immunity, at least until January.</p></blockquote>
<p>My short summary: &#8220;Ha Ha! We got a delay to give time for our lackeys in Congress to cover our asses! Hahahahaha!&#8221;</p>
<p>Is that about right?</p>
<p>Bob in AZ</p>
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