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	<title>Comments on: House Judiciary Committee to Propose PATRIOT and FISA Reforms</title>
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		<title>By: Jim White</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/20/house-judiciary-committee-to-propose-patriot-reforms/#comment-195308</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_massachusetts_terror_charge;_ylt=ApMCMobHF.Sa9Z_Ba0GxiVWs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNnNHIyZTFzBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkxMDIxL3VzX21hc3NhY2h1c2V0dHNfdGVycm9yX2NoYXJnZQRjcG9zAzQEcG9zAzEEcHQDaG9tZV9jb2tlBHNlYwN5bl9oZWFkbGluZV9saXN0BHNsawNmZWRzbWFzc21hbnA-&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;shocked, shocked&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;A 27-year-old Massachusetts man has been charged with conspiring with others to carry out terror attacks against shoppers in U.S. malls and against U.S. military in Iraq.

Authorities in Boston say Tarek Mehanna (TEH&#039;-rek meh-HAH&#039;-nah) of Sudbury sought training in terrorist training camps and worked with others from 2001 to May 2008 on the conspiracy &quot;kill, kidnap, maim or injure&quot; people in foreign countries and to kill prominent U.S. politicians.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Very convenient timing for the announcement, isn&#039;t it?  And has he been in custody a long time?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Mehanna was arrested last year for allegedly lying about a man who trained with al-Qaida members with the goal of overthrowing the Somali government.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

At least this time beauty supplies weren&#039;t involved.  The story says he tried and failed to get automatic weapons for his attacks on malls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_massachusetts_terror_charge;_ylt=ApMCMobHF.Sa9Z_Ba0GxiVWs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNnNHIyZTFzBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkxMDIxL3VzX21hc3NhY2h1c2V0dHNfdGVycm9yX2NoYXJnZQRjcG9zAzQEcG9zAzEEcHQDaG9tZV9jb2tlBHNlYwN5bl9oZWFkbGluZV9saXN0BHNsawNmZWRzbWFzc21hbnA-" rel="nofollow">shocked, shocked</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>A 27-year-old Massachusetts man has been charged with conspiring with others to carry out terror attacks against shoppers in U.S. malls and against U.S. military in Iraq.</p>
<p>Authorities in Boston say Tarek Mehanna (TEH&#8217;-rek meh-HAH&#8217;-nah) of Sudbury sought training in terrorist training camps and worked with others from 2001 to May 2008 on the conspiracy &#8220;kill, kidnap, maim or injure&#8221; people in foreign countries and to kill prominent U.S. politicians.</p></blockquote>
<p>Very convenient timing for the announcement, isn&#8217;t it?  And has he been in custody a long time?</p>
<blockquote><p>Mehanna was arrested last year for allegedly lying about a man who trained with al-Qaida members with the goal of overthrowing the Somali government.</p></blockquote>
<p>At least this time beauty supplies weren&#8217;t involved.  The story says he tried and failed to get automatic weapons for his attacks on malls.</p>
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		<title>By: rafflaw</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/20/house-judiciary-committee-to-propose-patriot-reforms/#comment-195300</link>
		<dc:creator>rafflaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 03:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is about time! Let&#039;s see if it has any chance of passing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is about time! Let&#8217;s see if it has any chance of passing.</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/20/house-judiciary-committee-to-propose-patriot-reforms/#comment-195292</link>
		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 02:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I really believe if the U.S. Bill of Rights were put to a popular vote today, and three months were given to “debate” it, it would lose, and lose big.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This has already been tested by polling, years ago, and as you guessed, the Bill of Rights lost. Unfortunately, I don&#039;t have a link.

Bob in AZ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I really believe if the U.S. Bill of Rights were put to a popular vote today, and three months were given to “debate” it, it would lose, and lose big.</p></blockquote>
<p>This has already been tested by polling, years ago, and as you guessed, the Bill of Rights lost. Unfortunately, I don&#8217;t have a link.</p>
<p>Bob in AZ</p>
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		<title>By: ackack</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/20/house-judiciary-committee-to-propose-patriot-reforms/#comment-195289</link>
		<dc:creator>ackack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 01:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what will the spooks do to fill the yottabyte storage capacity server farm being built in Utah if they have to cease the currently (beltway) popular data mining (read illegal spying) activities?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what will the spooks do to fill the yottabyte storage capacity server farm being built in Utah if they have to cease the currently (beltway) popular data mining (read illegal spying) activities?</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/20/house-judiciary-committee-to-propose-patriot-reforms/#comment-195287</link>
		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 01:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well this, if it passes, sounds much better than what DiFi and Leahy are cooking up. But the devil is always in the details. I&#039;m waiting for the actual language of the bill to be dissected by you and others to see if it lives up to these good-sounding promises.

Thanks!
Bob in AZ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well this, if it passes, sounds much better than what DiFi and Leahy are cooking up. But the devil is always in the details. I&#8217;m waiting for the actual language of the bill to be dissected by you and others to see if it lives up to these good-sounding promises.</p>
<p>Thanks!<br />
Bob in AZ</p>
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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/20/house-judiciary-committee-to-propose-patriot-reforms/#comment-195284</link>
		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Section 6 – Protections for International Communications of Americans
&lt;blockquote&gt;
The bill would permit unfettered acquisition of foreign-to-foreign communications &lt;strong&gt;and of communications of suspected terrorists into or out of the United States,&lt;/strong&gt; while creating safeguards for communications not related to terrorism that the government knows have one end in the United States.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How many Tea Baggers will not like the Obama WH looking at all their Email, mail, phone  etc just because they knew talked once on the phone or replied to a fellow right winger&#039;s comment on the net or maybe just have a Shooter post once on their blog?
    Michelle Malkin and Fox News better hire an army of lawyers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Section 6 – Protections for International Communications of Americans</p>
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The bill would permit unfettered acquisition of foreign-to-foreign communications <strong>and of communications of suspected terrorists into or out of the United States,</strong> while creating safeguards for communications not related to terrorism that the government knows have one end in the United States.
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<p>How many Tea Baggers will not like the Obama WH looking at all their Email, mail, phone  etc just because they knew talked once on the phone or replied to a fellow right winger&#8217;s comment on the net or maybe just have a Shooter post once on their blog?<br />
    Michelle Malkin and Fox News better hire an army of lawyers.</p>
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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/20/house-judiciary-committee-to-propose-patriot-reforms/#comment-195281</link>
		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True Obama is getting a record number of death threats time to use that Paranoia for our own ends:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True Obama is getting a record number of death threats time to use that Paranoia for our own ends:)</p>
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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/20/house-judiciary-committee-to-propose-patriot-reforms/#comment-195280</link>
		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;hen it might at least force the Admin to admit it iS data mining.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


  If we do get that admission the we push that story and say with Obama in the WH the Teabaggers are next their predictable response will help us.
   &lt;strong&gt;That which is Predictable can be Manipulated!&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>hen it might at least force the Admin to admit it iS data mining.</p></blockquote>
<p>  If we do get that admission the we push that story and say with Obama in the WH the Teabaggers are next their predictable response will help us.<br />
   <strong>That which is Predictable can be Manipulated!</strong></p>
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		<title>By: tbsa</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/20/house-judiciary-committee-to-propose-patriot-reforms/#comment-195278</link>
		<dc:creator>tbsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re on Norske....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re on Norske&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: NorskeFlamethrower</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/20/house-judiciary-committee-to-propose-patriot-reforms/#comment-195277</link>
		<dc:creator>NorskeFlamethrower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Citizen ThingsComeUndone:

I think yer on to sumpthin there Citizen...right now the threat of domestic terrorism and murder must be drivin&#039; the Secret Service and FBI bonkers and it ain&#039;t lost on the White House.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Citizen ThingsComeUndone:</p>
<p>I think yer on to sumpthin there Citizen&#8230;right now the threat of domestic terrorism and murder must be drivin&#8217; the Secret Service and FBI bonkers and it ain&#8217;t lost on the White House.</p>
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