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		<title>By: LiberalHeart</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/17/the-wapos-broccoli-soup/#comment-195296</link>
		<dc:creator>LiberalHeart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 03:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Going off topic here to share a link that mentions Roger Stone and some possible new political dirty tricks he&#039;s involved in regarding the casino issue that&#039;s on the Ohio ballot:
http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=10247#more-10247</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going off topic here to share a link that mentions Roger Stone and some possible new political dirty tricks he&#8217;s involved in regarding the casino issue that&#8217;s on the Ohio ballot:<br />
<a href="http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=10247#more-10247" rel="nofollow">http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=10247#more-10247</a></p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EW,

Glad you are okay. Sorry to learn of the packing-up and moving efforts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EW,</p>
<p>Glad you are okay. Sorry to learn of the packing-up and moving efforts.</p>
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		<title>By: freepatriot</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/17/the-wapos-broccoli-soup/#comment-194944</link>
		<dc:creator>freepatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 22:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the wapoop, faux gnus, and the rest of the phony fucking journalists are becoming quite the issue, ain&#039;t they

remember when the repuglitards were gonna sweep the Virginia and New Jersey gov races

faux gnus an the wapoop been tellin me that since March

now, it don&#039;t look so likely

faux gnus an the wapoop only report reality after the election, when the cold hard numbers show how stupid their predictions are

remember when the repuglitards were gonna hold their 2008 senate losses to 3 seats ???

supporting the wapoop and faux gnus is reinforcing FAILURE

I await the day when America rejexs these liars wholesale

won&#039;t be long now</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the wapoop, faux gnus, and the rest of the phony fucking journalists are becoming quite the issue, ain&#8217;t they</p>
<p>remember when the repuglitards were gonna sweep the Virginia and New Jersey gov races</p>
<p>faux gnus an the wapoop been tellin me that since March</p>
<p>now, it don&#8217;t look so likely</p>
<p>faux gnus an the wapoop only report reality after the election, when the cold hard numbers show how stupid their predictions are</p>
<p>remember when the repuglitards were gonna hold their 2008 senate losses to 3 seats ???</p>
<p>supporting the wapoop and faux gnus is reinforcing FAILURE</p>
<p>I await the day when America rejexs these liars wholesale</p>
<p>won&#8217;t be long now</p>
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		<title>By: lambertstrether</title>
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		<dc:creator>lambertstrether</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly. 

Reporters (who are a problem) report to editors (who are a bigger problem) report to publishers (with the ownership being the biggest problem).

Sure, Judy Miller was a terrible reporter (except for the people who were managing the WMD disinformation campaign, whom she serviced well). But she only writes the stories. The editor, Bill Keller, is even worse (except for those he really services, of course), since he&#039;s the one who assigns the stories, prints them or buries them (as with warrantless surveillance), and lays them out (on page A1 or A18 or whatever). And Sulzburger&#039;s the biggest problem of all, since he&#039;s the one who signs the checks for it all.  Of course, the owners are doing what &lt;i&gt;their&lt;/i&gt; owners -- the Buffets of this world -- want.

We in the blogosphere, for whatever reason, seem to focus on the Judy Millers and not on the Warren Buffets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly. </p>
<p>Reporters (who are a problem) report to editors (who are a bigger problem) report to publishers (with the ownership being the biggest problem).</p>
<p>Sure, Judy Miller was a terrible reporter (except for the people who were managing the WMD disinformation campaign, whom she serviced well). But she only writes the stories. The editor, Bill Keller, is even worse (except for those he really services, of course), since he&#8217;s the one who assigns the stories, prints them or buries them (as with warrantless surveillance), and lays them out (on page A1 or A18 or whatever). And Sulzburger&#8217;s the biggest problem of all, since he&#8217;s the one who signs the checks for it all.  Of course, the owners are doing what <i>their</i> owners &#8212; the Buffets of this world &#8212; want.</p>
<p>We in the blogosphere, for whatever reason, seem to focus on the Judy Millers and not on the Warren Buffets.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnEmerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnEmerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;where did donald graham (and warren buffet) find this piece of vegetal trash&lt;/em&gt;

I have no idea what Buffet&#039;s role is at WaPo, but Graham hired this guy because that&#039;s the kind of guy he wants.

Same for Sulzberger at the NYT. These guys aren&#039;t bystanders, they&#039;re the ones who make things happen. (Both of them run both the operations end and the business end, and the business end comes first.)

I&#039;ve spent years trying to convince people that a fish rots from the head down, as they say, and that the ones to complain about are the ones at the top. Those two guys &lt;em&gt;want&lt;/em&gt; bad journalism and hire with that in mind.

The Times and the Post are gone. The Czar isn&#039;t going to save us -- he&#039;s our main enemy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>where did donald graham (and warren buffet) find this piece of vegetal trash</em></p>
<p>I have no idea what Buffet&#8217;s role is at WaPo, but Graham hired this guy because that&#8217;s the kind of guy he wants.</p>
<p>Same for Sulzberger at the NYT. These guys aren&#8217;t bystanders, they&#8217;re the ones who make things happen. (Both of them run both the operations end and the business end, and the business end comes first.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve spent years trying to convince people that a fish rots from the head down, as they say, and that the ones to complain about are the ones at the top. Those two guys <em>want</em> bad journalism and hire with that in mind.</p>
<p>The Times and the Post are gone. The Czar isn&#8217;t going to save us &#8212; he&#8217;s our main enemy.</p>
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		<title>By: orionATL</title>
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		<dc:creator>orionATL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bobschacht @4

i go back and forth on this. yes, these are accomplished businessmen. the wapo mothership is one of the most successful media companies in a deeply distressed industry.

but then graham and his niece, waymouth, seem to have no sense of the intellectual integrity  necessary for a newspaper to be a first-rate corporate product, nor do they seem to care if the wapo is first-rate or not.

it really is possible to run a first-rate corporation, make some good coin, AND produce a first-rate product, but graham and weymouth just don&#039;t seem to care enough to make this happen.

when weymouth came in i thought for sure that hyatt would go and the editorial page would pick up a paul krugman or two.

that has not happened and i now doubt it will.

newspapers need to understand that the distinction journalists like to draw between &quot;opinion&quot; and &quot;news&quot; is no distinction in the minds of their readers.

as McLuhan might have said &quot;the opinion is the news&quot;.

which means, of course, that opinions (editorials, op-eds) must be thoughtful, accurate, and above all, not propaganda for a cause,

as well as being one person&#039;s opinion.

and, for example,  as george will&#039;s, c charles krauthammer&#039;s, robert samuelson&#039;s, et al, rarely are.

(in my opinion!!)


and so i conclude these are rather stupid business leaders, but one could just as easily use &quot;cynical&quot;, &quot;timid and risk averse&quot;, &quot;manipulative of readers&quot;, &quot;uncaring about the public good&quot;, 

or even &quot;republican&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bobschacht @4</p>
<p>i go back and forth on this. yes, these are accomplished businessmen. the wapo mothership is one of the most successful media companies in a deeply distressed industry.</p>
<p>but then graham and his niece, waymouth, seem to have no sense of the intellectual integrity  necessary for a newspaper to be a first-rate corporate product, nor do they seem to care if the wapo is first-rate or not.</p>
<p>it really is possible to run a first-rate corporation, make some good coin, AND produce a first-rate product, but graham and weymouth just don&#8217;t seem to care enough to make this happen.</p>
<p>when weymouth came in i thought for sure that hyatt would go and the editorial page would pick up a paul krugman or two.</p>
<p>that has not happened and i now doubt it will.</p>
<p>newspapers need to understand that the distinction journalists like to draw between &#8220;opinion&#8221; and &#8220;news&#8221; is no distinction in the minds of their readers.</p>
<p>as McLuhan might have said &#8220;the opinion is the news&#8221;.</p>
<p>which means, of course, that opinions (editorials, op-eds) must be thoughtful, accurate, and above all, not propaganda for a cause,</p>
<p>as well as being one person&#8217;s opinion.</p>
<p>and, for example,  as george will&#8217;s, c charles krauthammer&#8217;s, robert samuelson&#8217;s, et al, rarely are.</p>
<p>(in my opinion!!)</p>
<p>and so i conclude these are rather stupid business leaders, but one could just as easily use &#8220;cynical&#8221;, &#8220;timid and risk averse&#8221;, &#8220;manipulative of readers&#8221;, &#8220;uncaring about the public good&#8221;, </p>
<p>or even &#8220;republican&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: orionATL</title>
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		<dc:creator>orionATL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>box turtle @7

&quot;Normally, for something like this, I’d expect the editor and the publisher to descend like locusts, lay waste to the diseased areas, and rebuild.&quot; 



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>box turtle @7</p>
<p>&#8220;Normally, for something like this, I’d expect the editor and the publisher to descend like locusts, lay waste to the diseased areas, and rebuild.&#8221; </p>
<p>precisely.</p>
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		<title>By: dcblogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>dcblogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.correntewire.com/connecting_dots_our_corrupt_corporate_conservative_press_cccp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I am sure that Warren Buffet is very well pleased with the Washington Post health care coverage&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.correntewire.com/connecting_dots_our_corrupt_corporate_conservative_press_cccp" rel="nofollow">I am sure that Warren Buffet is very well pleased with the Washington Post health care coverage</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Winski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The WaPo has slipped into the shadowy abyss of Cluster-Fox meta-news and I&#039;m amazed Katharine Weymouth hasn&#039;t announced the sale of the paper to News Corp. yet. It seems the WaPo has done everything that could possibly be required of it by Rupe but it publicly maintains its&#039; independence...seems like a scam to me but everything that Weymouth has done lately to the WaPo has smelled the same way....

It is truly a shame to see a once-mighty paper hit the wall...and slump quickly into Rupe&#039;s lair...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The WaPo has slipped into the shadowy abyss of Cluster-Fox meta-news and I&#8217;m amazed Katharine Weymouth hasn&#8217;t announced the sale of the paper to News Corp. yet. It seems the WaPo has done everything that could possibly be required of it by Rupe but it publicly maintains its&#8217; independence&#8230;seems like a scam to me but everything that Weymouth has done lately to the WaPo has smelled the same way&#8230;.</p>
<p>It is truly a shame to see a once-mighty paper hit the wall&#8230;and slump quickly into Rupe&#8217;s lair&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: foothillsmike</title>
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		<dc:creator>foothillsmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;aimed at avoiding another episode that could damage the paper’s reputation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What reputation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>aimed at avoiding another episode that could damage the paper’s reputation.</p></blockquote>
<p>What reputation?</p>
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