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	<title>Comments on: Alan Grayson v. the Insurance Industry Hack</title>
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		<title>By: NadaLemming</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/15/alan-grayson-v-the-insurance-industry-hack/#comment-194818</link>
		<dc:creator>NadaLemming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They didn&#039;t show the most egregious example of Alex&#039;s style in this clip.  He called Grayson a &#039;kook&#039; right before this begins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They didn&#8217;t show the most egregious example of Alex&#8217;s style in this clip.  He called Grayson a &#8216;kook&#8217; right before this begins.</p>
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		<title>By: DWBartoo</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/15/alan-grayson-v-the-insurance-industry-hack/#comment-194715</link>
		<dc:creator>DWBartoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 04:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, PJ, in a rational and reasonable world, what you suggest would make sense. It would have a sobering effect.

However, I have it, on good authority, that even the dumbest, most low-down  snake of a politician (no offense to snakes, mind you) has figured out that a gated, securely patrolled, &quot;community&quot; is the best location for the domicile of a god or goddess-like being like him or herself ...

So, even if the rabble does get roused, before they are going to be able to present any &quot;grievances&quot; to their &quot;representatives&quot; at home, said rabble is going to have to go through the police lines, convincing the good officers (who, tasers and riot gear at the ready, likely will identify &quot;their&quot; interests as being WITH or in the &quot;service&quot; of the Political Cla$$) that everything is on the up and up ...

Raising hell with the Political Cla$$ or their masters, the New American Ari$tocracy, has a tendency to strike the police as a challenge to AUTHORITY.  And the police don&#039;t like that. NOT one little bit and they are likely to see it as a challenge to themselves and their position in society, as well.

I don&#039;t think &quot;reason&quot; enters into it.

Power is what it is all about now, money-power, political power, and, increasingly, raw, brute, physical police-power.  

That is certainly the way it looked here, in Pittsburgh, not all that many days ago.

Or, perhaps, you imagine that &quot;the people&quot;, irate and vexed, will simply march down to Washington and demand of the House and Senate that they behave as if the rest of us, who are NOT corporations, are too damned important to be failed - and big enough, together, to do something about it?

That would be perceived as a threat to the nation.

I remember Kent State.

And the message was clear.

So?

Pitchforks probably are not the way to go.

In fact, definitely, not the way to go.

And, no doubt, the revised Patriot Act requires permits for torches ...

DW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, PJ, in a rational and reasonable world, what you suggest would make sense. It would have a sobering effect.</p>
<p>However, I have it, on good authority, that even the dumbest, most low-down  snake of a politician (no offense to snakes, mind you) has figured out that a gated, securely patrolled, &#8220;community&#8221; is the best location for the domicile of a god or goddess-like being like him or herself &#8230;</p>
<p>So, even if the rabble does get roused, before they are going to be able to present any &#8220;grievances&#8221; to their &#8220;representatives&#8221; at home, said rabble is going to have to go through the police lines, convincing the good officers (who, tasers and riot gear at the ready, likely will identify &#8220;their&#8221; interests as being WITH or in the &#8220;service&#8221; of the Political Cla$$) that everything is on the up and up &#8230;</p>
<p>Raising hell with the Political Cla$$ or their masters, the New American Ari$tocracy, has a tendency to strike the police as a challenge to AUTHORITY.  And the police don&#8217;t like that. NOT one little bit and they are likely to see it as a challenge to themselves and their position in society, as well.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think &#8220;reason&#8221; enters into it.</p>
<p>Power is what it is all about now, money-power, political power, and, increasingly, raw, brute, physical police-power.  </p>
<p>That is certainly the way it looked here, in Pittsburgh, not all that many days ago.</p>
<p>Or, perhaps, you imagine that &#8220;the people&#8221;, irate and vexed, will simply march down to Washington and demand of the House and Senate that they behave as if the rest of us, who are NOT corporations, are too damned important to be failed &#8211; and big enough, together, to do something about it?</p>
<p>That would be perceived as a threat to the nation.</p>
<p>I remember Kent State.</p>
<p>And the message was clear.</p>
<p>So?</p>
<p>Pitchforks probably are not the way to go.</p>
<p>In fact, definitely, not the way to go.</p>
<p>And, no doubt, the revised Patriot Act requires permits for torches &#8230;</p>
<p>DW</p>
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		<title>By: PJEvans</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJEvans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, they might want to consider that it would lower the number of reasons for people with pitchforks and torches to show up on their doorsteps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, they might want to consider that it would lower the number of reasons for people with pitchforks and torches to show up on their doorsteps.</p>
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		<title>By: goodpyr</title>
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		<dc:creator>goodpyr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CNN unbiased.
In Poker that&#039;s called a stacked deck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CNN unbiased.<br />
In Poker that&#8217;s called a stacked deck.</p>
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		<title>By: millerdunwoody</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/15/alan-grayson-v-the-insurance-industry-hack/#comment-194711</link>
		<dc:creator>millerdunwoody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;America&#039;s most trusted name in news.&quot;  What bullshit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;America&#8217;s most trusted name in news.&#8221;  What bullshit.</p>
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		<title>By: DWBartoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWBartoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are correct, PJ, of course.

However, the main reason many become politicians is that that is the means of becoming a lobbyist with entree ...

Why would Congress wish to change this wonderful thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are correct, PJ, of course.</p>
<p>However, the main reason many become politicians is that that is the means of becoming a lobbyist with entree &#8230;</p>
<p>Why would Congress wish to change this wonderful thing?</p>
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		<title>By: PJEvans</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJEvans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And half the lobbyists used to be politicians, and are still exercising their privileges.

(I think Congress should remove floor privileges form any former member who has a job after leaving office. Assume they&#039;re &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt; lobbyists.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And half the lobbyists used to be politicians, and are still exercising their privileges.</p>
<p>(I think Congress should remove floor privileges form any former member who has a job after leaving office. Assume they&#8217;re <em>all</em> lobbyists.)</p>
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		<title>By: phred</title>
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		<dc:creator>phred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL : )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL : )</p>
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		<title>By: DWBartoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWBartoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh it helps the pollytishuns, phred, if the lobbyists say, &quot;Put yer pants on, one leg at a time, don&#039;t forget to close the barn door, and check in the pockets.&quot;

That is the currently acceptable way to address the problem.

DW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh it helps the pollytishuns, phred, if the lobbyists say, &#8220;Put yer pants on, one leg at a time, don&#8217;t forget to close the barn door, and check in the pockets.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is the currently acceptable way to address the problem.</p>
<p>DW</p>
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		<title>By: phred</title>
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		<dc:creator>phred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, DW : )  Trying my patience is putting it mildly.  We have got to find a way to rein in our out-of-control politicians.  I don&#039;t think they can put their pants on in the morning without a lobbyist telling them how to do it first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, DW : )  Trying my patience is putting it mildly.  We have got to find a way to rein in our out-of-control politicians.  I don&#8217;t think they can put their pants on in the morning without a lobbyist telling them how to do it first.</p>
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