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	<title>Comments on: Obama&#8217;s Bipartisanship: Hiding Behind Jeff Sessions&#8217; Skirts When Eliminating Privacy Protections</title>
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		<title>By: fatster</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/10/obamas-bipartisanship-hiding-behind-jeff-sessions-when-eliminating-civil-rights-protections/#comment-194162</link>
		<dc:creator>fatster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many congresscritters do you think understand what temptingfate, PJEvans, joanneleon and I are alluding to?  Do you know if any congressional committees have called before them top-notch  professionals in this stuff and asked for their unbiased, expert assessments of efforts such as the monstrous, costly effort in Utah?  Wish they would. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many congresscritters do you think understand what temptingfate, PJEvans, joanneleon and I are alluding to?  Do you know if any congressional committees have called before them top-notch  professionals in this stuff and asked for their unbiased, expert assessments of efforts such as the monstrous, costly effort in Utah?  Wish they would.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>way epu&#039;d

I think he basically tossed her name out as a pacifier and at heart he may not care if it&#039;s never, but he will have bought himself some trouble if it is never.  She&#039;s married to Lee Hamilton&#039;s nephew (another reason why I think it&#039;s pretty clear that if Obama wanted her through, she&#039;d be in by now) so I don&#039;t think he will want to just cast her aside completely.  If I had to bet (and I&#039;m old timey Methodist on betting, so I don&#039;t) I&#039;d say he is waiting to get as much egregious crap out of Congress as possible, then he&#039;ll put her in.  

IOW, if releasing pictures and engaging in illegal surveillance and torturing at Bagram etc. are all no longer matters of Executive Order, but instead Obama and Kagan have finished out their threesome with Goldmsith and adopted his policy of, &quot;hey, our only fault wasn&#039;t that we tortured cabdrivers to death through horrible, gruesome, group participation rituals that we encouraged and solicited, but rather that we didn&#039;t get Congressional leglislation to back up our torture program&quot;  - - if Obama instead is getting Congressional legislation for all he wants to do, then it is &quot;safe&quot; to bring Johnson in, bc she&#039;s not likely to end up touching much at that point.  She won&#039;t be typically reviewing the Constitutionality of Congressional statutes in her role at OLC. 

fwiw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>way epu&#8217;d</p>
<p>I think he basically tossed her name out as a pacifier and at heart he may not care if it&#8217;s never, but he will have bought himself some trouble if it is never.  She&#8217;s married to Lee Hamilton&#8217;s nephew (another reason why I think it&#8217;s pretty clear that if Obama wanted her through, she&#8217;d be in by now) so I don&#8217;t think he will want to just cast her aside completely.  If I had to bet (and I&#8217;m old timey Methodist on betting, so I don&#8217;t) I&#8217;d say he is waiting to get as much egregious crap out of Congress as possible, then he&#8217;ll put her in.  </p>
<p>IOW, if releasing pictures and engaging in illegal surveillance and torturing at Bagram etc. are all no longer matters of Executive Order, but instead Obama and Kagan have finished out their threesome with Goldmsith and adopted his policy of, &#8220;hey, our only fault wasn&#8217;t that we tortured cabdrivers to death through horrible, gruesome, group participation rituals that we encouraged and solicited, but rather that we didn&#8217;t get Congressional leglislation to back up our torture program&#8221;  &#8211; - if Obama instead is getting Congressional legislation for all he wants to do, then it is &#8220;safe&#8221; to bring Johnson in, bc she&#8217;s not likely to end up touching much at that point.  She won&#8217;t be typically reviewing the Constitutionality of Congressional statutes in her role at OLC. </p>
<p>fwiw</p>
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		<title>By: bertman</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/10/obamas-bipartisanship-hiding-behind-jeff-sessions-when-eliminating-civil-rights-protections/#comment-194144</link>
		<dc:creator>bertman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what is being forgotten in all of the hoohaa over this capitulation by the Obama administration to the Intelligence-MIlitary-Industrial-Congressional Complex&#039;s demand for total oversight is the fact that President Obama is a highly intelligent man who remembers exactly what happened to the last President of the United States who tried to restrain the overlords who really call the shots.

Peace is War. Surveillance is Privacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what is being forgotten in all of the hoohaa over this capitulation by the Obama administration to the Intelligence-MIlitary-Industrial-Congressional Complex&#8217;s demand for total oversight is the fact that President Obama is a highly intelligent man who remembers exactly what happened to the last President of the United States who tried to restrain the overlords who really call the shots.</p>
<p>Peace is War. Surveillance is Privacy.</p>
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		<title>By: orionATL</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/10/obamas-bipartisanship-hiding-behind-jeff-sessions-when-eliminating-civil-rights-protections/#comment-194141</link>
		<dc:creator>orionATL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 01:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ew-

if it&#039;s worth the trouble, 

remind me and the rest of your readers about your comments on the obama admin and sessions some time back - had to do with judge sotomayor maybe.

foresight in the whitehouse?


kumbaya creates such wonderful political vibes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ew-</p>
<p>if it&#8217;s worth the trouble, </p>
<p>remind me and the rest of your readers about your comments on the obama admin and sessions some time back &#8211; had to do with judge sotomayor maybe.</p>
<p>foresight in the whitehouse?</p>
<p>kumbaya creates such wonderful political vibes.</p>
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		<title>By: fatster</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/10/obamas-bipartisanship-hiding-behind-jeff-sessions-when-eliminating-civil-rights-protections/#comment-194137</link>
		<dc:creator>fatster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 01:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep.  Just as people have been tortured to get them to say what Fourth Branch wanted to hear, you can so manipulate a data set that you can get it to produce results that are wanted.  I had to do that once for a professor who was so eager to get certain results that she kept coming back and demanding I weight this variable and that variable and then another variable until she finally had a data set that barely resembled what we began with--but it got her what she wanted.  I never did another bit of analysis for her, needless to say.  I like my data clean and lightly steamed by analysis rather than cooked beyond all recognition (or FUBAR, if you will).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep.  Just as people have been tortured to get them to say what Fourth Branch wanted to hear, you can so manipulate a data set that you can get it to produce results that are wanted.  I had to do that once for a professor who was so eager to get certain results that she kept coming back and demanding I weight this variable and that variable and then another variable until she finally had a data set that barely resembled what we began with&#8211;but it got her what she wanted.  I never did another bit of analysis for her, needless to say.  I like my data clean and lightly steamed by analysis rather than cooked beyond all recognition (or FUBAR, if you will).</p>
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		<title>By: temptingfate</title>
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		<dc:creator>temptingfate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The designers may not care if doesn&#039;t work if the goal is to find suitable victims.  The more obscure the data and it&#039;s sources, the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The designers may not care if doesn&#8217;t work if the goal is to find suitable victims.  The more obscure the data and it&#8217;s sources, the better.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/10/obamas-bipartisanship-hiding-behind-jeff-sessions-when-eliminating-civil-rights-protections/#comment-194133</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What?</p>
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		<title>By: temptingfate</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/10/obamas-bipartisanship-hiding-behind-jeff-sessions-when-eliminating-civil-rights-protections/#comment-194131</link>
		<dc:creator>temptingfate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not trying to be smart. but as a programmer or IT professional you may be looking at this the wrong way.  Much like any other behemoth tracking system the goal is not to be right all of the time, rather to box the accuracy and avoid being provably responsible for inaccuracies.  Non-technical people or just investigators looking to build a case simply want to be able to answer the question: Is this information considered to be untainted?  Have non-software sources been massaging the data?  While nearly anyone with actual systems experience can see that the volume of date is untenable, the investigator building links for an investigation need have no such concerns.  Plausible deniability is the name of the game.  Showing that you&#039;re on the job without an axe to grind is the goal.

It won&#039;t work if the intent is to avoid false positives but that is probably not a concern.  Being able to prove in court that the IT system is the problem by the defense would call for intimate knowledge and sophisticated analysis.  The prosecution rests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not trying to be smart. but as a programmer or IT professional you may be looking at this the wrong way.  Much like any other behemoth tracking system the goal is not to be right all of the time, rather to box the accuracy and avoid being provably responsible for inaccuracies.  Non-technical people or just investigators looking to build a case simply want to be able to answer the question: Is this information considered to be untainted?  Have non-software sources been massaging the data?  While nearly anyone with actual systems experience can see that the volume of date is untenable, the investigator building links for an investigation need have no such concerns.  Plausible deniability is the name of the game.  Showing that you&#8217;re on the job without an axe to grind is the goal.</p>
<p>It won&#8217;t work if the intent is to avoid false positives but that is probably not a concern.  Being able to prove in court that the IT system is the problem by the defense would call for intimate knowledge and sophisticated analysis.  The prosecution rests.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Rahma &amp; Bahma are happy to leave Ms. Johnsen twisting in the wind or they would have cut her down from the administration&#039;s nomination tree already.  Her name and reputation are mildly useful, less to an unconvinced liberal wing than as a threat to uppity Republicans.  Why Ms. Johnsen is silent for this long a time is a wonderment, though she has spoken with her feet by returning to Bloomington.  

Apart from that, Rahm must be getting adequately serviced, but if not from an intentionally short-staffed OLC, from whom?  White House attorneys?  They work for him/the president, of course, and not the AG and the public.  Even if the work has been dispersed to other DOJ and White House lawyers, they would have to be following a common game plan.  What personality is in charge of that?  

Where does the intrepid Mr. Holder fit in and why is he not going to the mat for his department&#039;s leadership and resources?  That he accepts suspended nominations like Ms. Johnsen&#039;s, and so many of Bush&#039;s USA&#039;s as his own, suggests he has his eye as much on returning to private practice as on the DoJ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Rahma &amp; Bahma are happy to leave Ms. Johnsen twisting in the wind or they would have cut her down from the administration&#8217;s nomination tree already.  Her name and reputation are mildly useful, less to an unconvinced liberal wing than as a threat to uppity Republicans.  Why Ms. Johnsen is silent for this long a time is a wonderment, though she has spoken with her feet by returning to Bloomington.  </p>
<p>Apart from that, Rahm must be getting adequately serviced, but if not from an intentionally short-staffed OLC, from whom?  White House attorneys?  They work for him/the president, of course, and not the AG and the public.  Even if the work has been dispersed to other DOJ and White House lawyers, they would have to be following a common game plan.  What personality is in charge of that?  </p>
<p>Where does the intrepid Mr. Holder fit in and why is he not going to the mat for his department&#8217;s leadership and resources?  That he accepts suspended nominations like Ms. Johnsen&#8217;s, and so many of Bush&#8217;s USA&#8217;s as his own, suggests he has his eye as much on returning to private practice as on the DoJ.</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Sideways to topic – any additional votes on my long ago spec that the main reason Dawn Johnson isn’t in place yet is bc Obama doesn’t want her in place?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Do you mean O doesn&#039;t want her in place *now*, at this particular time, or &quot;ever&quot;? If the latter, he should at least have a chat with her, rather than leaving her to twist slowly in the wind. 

Bob in AZ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Sideways to topic – any additional votes on my long ago spec that the main reason Dawn Johnson isn’t in place yet is bc Obama doesn’t want her in place?</p></blockquote>
<p>Do you mean O doesn&#8217;t want her in place *now*, at this particular time, or &#8220;ever&#8221;? If the latter, he should at least have a chat with her, rather than leaving her to twist slowly in the wind. </p>
<p>Bob in AZ</p>
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