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	<title>Comments on: DiFi&#8217;s Invitation to a Fishing Expedition</title>
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		<title>By: joanneleon</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/02/difis-invitation-to-a-fishing-expedition/#comment-193089</link>
		<dc:creator>joanneleon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 18:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah, well the timing of those domestic terrorist arrests was awfully convenient.  The first thing I thought when I heard about them was to wonder what purpose they’d be used for.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh, yes, the PATRIOT Act is up again.  Great.  Makes me sick.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;DiFi is one of our senators on whom I would love to see an in depth investigation by journalists.  Her ties to the defense industry and who knows what else, should be more widely known and I’d bet money that there are a lot of dots to be connected.  There’s something that just doesn’t add up with DiFi.  She’s more like an agent than a senator.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, well the timing of those domestic terrorist arrests was awfully convenient.  The first thing I thought when I heard about them was to wonder what purpose they’d be used for.</p>
<p>Oh, yes, the PATRIOT Act is up again.  Great.  Makes me sick.</p>
<p>DiFi is one of our senators on whom I would love to see an in depth investigation by journalists.  Her ties to the defense industry and who knows what else, should be more widely known and I’d bet money that there are a lot of dots to be connected.  There’s something that just doesn’t add up with DiFi.  She’s more like an agent than a senator.</p>
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		<title>By: radiofreewill</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/02/difis-invitation-to-a-fishing-expedition/#comment-193064</link>
		<dc:creator>radiofreewill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 11:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Rayne - Check this out: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www-01.ibm.com/software/data/entity-analytic-solutions/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;IBM Entity Analytics Software&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This software was pioneered and perfected in Las Vegas, where the Casinos were interested in ‘identifying’ patrons who were trying to ‘hide’ their identities from recognition - generally cheats and scammers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The software works anonymously to compare behaviors, associations, etc to ‘match’ two or more apparently different people as the same person, or otherwise somehow related to each other in nefarious ways.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rayne &#8211; Check this out: <a href="http://www-01.ibm.com/software/data/entity-analytic-solutions/" rel="nofollow">IBM Entity Analytics Software</a></p>
<p>This software was pioneered and perfected in Las Vegas, where the Casinos were interested in ‘identifying’ patrons who were trying to ‘hide’ their identities from recognition &#8211; generally cheats and scammers.</p>
<p>The software works anonymously to compare behaviors, associations, etc to ‘match’ two or more apparently different people as the same person, or otherwise somehow related to each other in nefarious ways.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 06:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Is that how they get nuggets?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that how they get nuggets?</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/02/difis-invitation-to-a-fishing-expedition/#comment-193060</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 05:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;my own generation, that is old enough to remember the “liberal” apathy about street crime and enforcement of other quality of life policing issues that led “law and order” in an era of escalating street crime to become “conservative” rather than general governmental concern.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Street crime has been much more destructive than ’street’ crime.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t especially mind the government being enabled to track down weapons, bullets, bomb-making materiel or anything else which might be very dangerous in the hands of people. But, the NRA might prefer we not hinder the terrorists for fear we would also hinder ‘law-abiding citizens’. Hard to tell the two apart sometimes. Wasn’t Zazi entirely law-abiding? McVeigh?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t see how tracking this stuff interferes with the right of people to have and use it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Going further to keep records of it’s sale is akin to keeping records of gun sales and that infuriates the ’soft on crime’ Right.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Perhaps the middle ground is having anyone who can sell that stuff inform the FBI if there is a sale of it, so the FBI can at least know where and when it’s happened. But, how do you differentiate between entirely legal and harmless sales and the more dangerous situations?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That leads us right back to the 4th Amendment (after-the-fact searches) and perhaps the Brady Law which required licenses (before-the-fact). Are there licenses for the purchase of “bomb-making” stuff? What kind and quantity of stuff would qualify to be considered potentially dangerous? It’s not like a gun where only 1 is all it takes.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>my own generation, that is old enough to remember the “liberal” apathy about street crime and enforcement of other quality of life policing issues that led “law and order” in an era of escalating street crime to become “conservative” rather than general governmental concern.</p>
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<p>Street crime has been much more destructive than ’street’ crime.</p>
<p>I don’t especially mind the government being enabled to track down weapons, bullets, bomb-making materiel or anything else which might be very dangerous in the hands of people. But, the NRA might prefer we not hinder the terrorists for fear we would also hinder ‘law-abiding citizens’. Hard to tell the two apart sometimes. Wasn’t Zazi entirely law-abiding? McVeigh?</p>
<p>I don’t see how tracking this stuff interferes with the right of people to have and use it.</p>
<p>Going further to keep records of it’s sale is akin to keeping records of gun sales and that infuriates the ’soft on crime’ Right.</p>
<p>Perhaps the middle ground is having anyone who can sell that stuff inform the FBI if there is a sale of it, so the FBI can at least know where and when it’s happened. But, how do you differentiate between entirely legal and harmless sales and the more dangerous situations?</p>
<p>That leads us right back to the 4th Amendment (after-the-fact searches) and perhaps the Brady Law which required licenses (before-the-fact). Are there licenses for the purchase of “bomb-making” stuff? What kind and quantity of stuff would qualify to be considered potentially dangerous? It’s not like a gun where only 1 is all it takes.</p>
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		<title>By: PJEvans</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJEvans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 05:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If she wasn’t a natural blonde, it should have been clear to everyone, unless she was close to blonde already. (I think I’m a ‘winter’).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sort of OT, an interesting &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-gabler2-2009oct02,0,7817347.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;editorial&lt;/a&gt; in the LA Times on conservatism as a religion. It explains some of the problems we’re having. (Wish the Ds in DC would read it and develop soms smarts.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If she wasn’t a natural blonde, it should have been clear to everyone, unless she was close to blonde already. (I think I’m a ‘winter’).</p>
<p>Sort of OT, an interesting <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-gabler2-2009oct02,0,7817347.story" rel="nofollow">editorial</a> in the LA Times on conservatism as a religion. It explains some of the problems we’re having. (Wish the Ds in DC would read it and develop soms smarts.)</p>
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		<title>By: PJEvans</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJEvans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 05:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Home-made guncotton!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Home-made guncotton!</p>
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		<title>By: prostratedragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>prostratedragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 04:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Er, I know. / sottovoce&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er, I know. / sottovoce</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 03:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I like Schneier, smart guy. But I think he’s been outgamed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Speaking of Schneier: robspierre, if you’re here, you might look at this post from Schneier’s blog. You may think some forms of datamining are poor/ineffective, but some are getting pretty good and in s&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/09/predicting_char.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;urprising places&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Schneier, smart guy. But I think he’s been outgamed.</p>
<p>Speaking of Schneier: robspierre, if you’re here, you might look at this post from Schneier’s blog. You may think some forms of datamining are poor/ineffective, but some are getting pretty good and in s<a href="http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/09/predicting_char.html" rel="nofollow">urprising places</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: orionATL</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/02/difis-invitation-to-a-fishing-expedition/#comment-193055</link>
		<dc:creator>orionATL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 03:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;bmaz @17&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;that is funny.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;very funny!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bmaz @17</p>
<p>that is funny.</p>
<p>very funny!!</p>
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		<title>By: orionATL</title>
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		<dc:creator>orionATL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 03:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;al75 @1, ff&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;thanks for your thoughtful comments.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;asking important questions is useful, though not aways immediately (or ever) rewarding.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>al75 @1, ff</p>
<p>thanks for your thoughtful comments.</p>
<p>asking important questions is useful, though not aways immediately (or ever) rewarding.</p>
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