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	<title>Comments on: What Judge Sullivan&#8217;s Opinion Means</title>
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		<title>By: kindGSL</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/what-judge-sullivans-opinion-means/#comment-193065</link>
		<dc:creator>kindGSL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 12:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;When can we start calling out crooked or conspiratorial judges for being involved in massive criminal cover ups, fraud and the removal of, or failure to protect, the basic human rights of citizens? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Don’t judges have some kind of responsibility to protect the rights of the citizenry, or do they think we are national serfs and slaves? To be dispensed with as they wish.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Where’s the oversight?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When can we start calling out crooked or conspiratorial judges for being involved in massive criminal cover ups, fraud and the removal of, or failure to protect, the basic human rights of citizens? </p>
<p>Don’t judges have some kind of responsibility to protect the rights of the citizenry, or do they think we are national serfs and slaves? To be dispensed with as they wish.</p>
<p>Where’s the oversight?</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Any public defender jobs out there?&lt;br /&gt;
People losing their homes who might need representation during the process?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any public defender jobs out there?<br />
People losing their homes who might need representation during the process?</p>
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		<title>By: DWBartoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWBartoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, my hopes that a member of the Judiciary would dare to  rise, to stand where and when Congress, in the face of Executive “over-reach”, would not, have definitely been realized. The good and well-respected Judge Emmet Sullivan has lifted his ass off the bench sufficiently to fart in the general direction of the Constitution and “the people”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Secrecy reigns.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And “the people” are not entitled to the truth.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On another topic:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Congratulations, tekel!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(Another of my perhaps foolish “hopes” is that, one day, the good lawyers will outnumber those given to mere or utter “expediency”…)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;DW&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, my hopes that a member of the Judiciary would dare to  rise, to stand where and when Congress, in the face of Executive “over-reach”, would not, have definitely been realized. The good and well-respected Judge Emmet Sullivan has lifted his ass off the bench sufficiently to fart in the general direction of the Constitution and “the people”.</p>
<p>Secrecy reigns.</p>
<p>And “the people” are not entitled to the truth.</p>
<p>On another topic:</p>
<p>Congratulations, tekel!</p>
<p>(Another of my perhaps foolish “hopes” is that, one day, the good lawyers will outnumber those given to mere or utter “expediency”…)</p>
<p>DW</p>
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		<title>By: brendanx</title>
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		<dc:creator>brendanx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 14:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“rein in”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“rein in”</p>
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		<title>By: doalive</title>
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		<dc:creator>doalive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 07:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;tell us of yer secret deepest/darkest fears,and are they/them comprimised commercially,unfounded,manufactured,rational or just a spy in the house of “war,and are they rational or based upon foreign,alein or queer states of strange and or just plain bizarre, aka wierd,an energy parrallax,paradia`d dichotomy designed to repeat,perpetuate,aka pre-cipatate a manifest dust aka fate,,,the nemisis a free state of affair/zsc`,tell us naught and the guess becomes increasingly wild,so tell the wind a lie and the intellagiences the real reason why,if ya trust a country that passivly gazes thair senses upon the natural,civil &amp; wild wide world earthly,3rd stone from the sun aka home,,,OO,or plan B aka dOOr #3,to freedom’s state it seems,the doors are better open,than concealed and or locked down,regulated,stood-up,stand stilled,anti free,closed,ya know the feeling individual aka countryman`etc,etc,,,wolvedrive exercise” to tin-man, over &amp; out,,,PS really this header really fits better when the decision emmanating from the the most un-democraticaly American wing reads i luv ya all and behalf of the image in my mind i do behold,free from fear,want,and the last recourse war,just tell us won’t ya please,to whOOm it may concern,1 more tyme OO^live^for the record,including the light of a free tomorrows day,one way or another bearing serving providing doesn’t nessacerrily equate with beleiving,empire,state,in-corperated entities within the political body entrusted to act on behalf a faith that is not based on an imitation that only mimics what it may have thought was heard or wished to seek and understand,the will of the people resembles the fyrelight of the local starlight more than an alternative purpose could slither or progress to a station that the final resting place may be found,power,civilazation,society,poitics,structure,history,come-on tell us,,,please,don’t make the baliff whip out the rubber chicken,the T-Birds’ feather’s would be insulted,OO,thats 2 mythical creatures that hopefully escaped aka ran away a long tyme ago,well that and the goat, a reset digatally remastered might let go,,,in a court,a court of truth,get the whole set,justice now with new and improved naturally occurring natural law (patent pending,-action figures sold seperatly)hint;2 whOOm it” “may-?concern is osIx and me,i,my.&amp; of horse we,aka us,stated,declared,united,,worldly,federal,earthly,un-divided&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tell us of yer secret deepest/darkest fears,and are they/them comprimised commercially,unfounded,manufactured,rational or just a spy in the house of “war,and are they rational or based upon foreign,alein or queer states of strange and or just plain bizarre, aka wierd,an energy parrallax,paradia`d dichotomy designed to repeat,perpetuate,aka pre-cipatate a manifest dust aka fate,,,the nemisis a free state of affair/zsc`,tell us naught and the guess becomes increasingly wild,so tell the wind a lie and the intellagiences the real reason why,if ya trust a country that passivly gazes thair senses upon the natural,civil &amp; wild wide world earthly,3rd stone from the sun aka home,,,OO,or plan B aka dOOr #3,to freedom’s state it seems,the doors are better open,than concealed and or locked down,regulated,stood-up,stand stilled,anti free,closed,ya know the feeling individual aka countryman`etc,etc,,,wolvedrive exercise” to tin-man, over &amp; out,,,PS really this header really fits better when the decision emmanating from the the most un-democraticaly American wing reads i luv ya all and behalf of the image in my mind i do behold,free from fear,want,and the last recourse war,just tell us won’t ya please,to whOOm it may concern,1 more tyme OO^live^for the record,including the light of a free tomorrows day,one way or another bearing serving providing doesn’t nessacerrily equate with beleiving,empire,state,in-corperated entities within the political body entrusted to act on behalf a faith that is not based on an imitation that only mimics what it may have thought was heard or wished to seek and understand,the will of the people resembles the fyrelight of the local starlight more than an alternative purpose could slither or progress to a station that the final resting place may be found,power,civilazation,society,poitics,structure,history,come-on tell us,,,please,don’t make the baliff whip out the rubber chicken,the T-Birds’ feather’s would be insulted,OO,thats 2 mythical creatures that hopefully escaped aka ran away a long tyme ago,well that and the goat, a reset digatally remastered might let go,,,in a court,a court of truth,get the whole set,justice now with new and improved naturally occurring natural law (patent pending,-action figures sold seperatly)hint;2 whOOm it” “may-?concern is osIx and me,i,my.&amp; of horse we,aka us,stated,declared,united,,worldly,federal,earthly,un-divided</p>
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		<title>By: fatster</title>
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		<dc:creator>fatster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 02:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What did Cantwell do, pls?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What did Cantwell do, pls?</p>
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		<title>By: JamesJoyce</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/what-judge-sullivans-opinion-means/#comment-192766</link>
		<dc:creator>JamesJoyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 01:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Protectionism for corporations and the “shrills” who work for them!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Protectionism for corporations and the “shrills” who work for them!</p>
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		<title>By: PJEvans</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJEvans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 01:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My-niece-the-lawyer has been working for a disability-rights group since she passed the CA bar; that’s about four years now.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My-niece-the-lawyer has been working for a disability-rights group since she passed the CA bar; that’s about four years now.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 00:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah, and I’m guessing we won’t be seeing any filing from Fitzgerald (or Durham or other SPec Prosecutors) as Spec Pros asking to intervene and for the court to withdraw it’s order and hold in abeyance to the extent that it is an order determining that Special Prosecutor interviews with Exec branch members in connection with criminal investigations are “inter-agency chats” which will be subject to privilege (and for which Special Prosecutors could not, then, pursue false statements claims bc of the privilege that would attach) until the office of Spec Prosec has an opportunity to also brief that issue to the court.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not gonna happen, although it would if you actually did have such a thing as independent special prosecutors.  THey’d never allow a court ruling to go out as precedent stating that their criminal interviews with Exec branch members are all privileged and they can’t release or use them without waivers of that privilege - even where someone is found to have lied (given a false statement) to them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, and I’m guessing we won’t be seeing any filing from Fitzgerald (or Durham or other SPec Prosecutors) as Spec Pros asking to intervene and for the court to withdraw it’s order and hold in abeyance to the extent that it is an order determining that Special Prosecutor interviews with Exec branch members in connection with criminal investigations are “inter-agency chats” which will be subject to privilege (and for which Special Prosecutors could not, then, pursue false statements claims bc of the privilege that would attach) until the office of Spec Prosec has an opportunity to also brief that issue to the court.</p>
<p>Not gonna happen, although it would if you actually did have such a thing as independent special prosecutors.  THey’d never allow a court ruling to go out as precedent stating that their criminal interviews with Exec branch members are all privileged and they can’t release or use them without waivers of that privilege &#8211; even where someone is found to have lied (given a false statement) to them.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 23:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That should probably have been touched on in the filings here if the court was going to get to that issue.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Um, yeah.  And that statement goes for about everything you argue here.  What they did brief on was decent work, but they missed a lot.  And they did not do a good job of going back and turning Fitzgerald’s argument on numerous things against the opposition like they should have as you note.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>That should probably have been touched on in the filings here if the court was going to get to that issue.</p>
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<p>Um, yeah.  And that statement goes for about everything you argue here.  What they did brief on was decent work, but they missed a lot.  And they did not do a good job of going back and turning Fitzgerald’s argument on numerous things against the opposition like they should have as you note.</p>
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