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	<title>Comments on: Buy Beauty Products? You Might Be a Terrorism Suspect.</title>
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		<title>By: timbo</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/buy-beauty-products-you-might-be-a-terrorism-suspect/#comment-193032</link>
		<dc:creator>timbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 00:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Coincidentally, the Federal Government is also investigating people who look fabulous and don’t buy ANY beauty products.  So much for trying to stay out of a salon as a way to avoid being investigated for suspected terrorism…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coincidentally, the Federal Government is also investigating people who look fabulous and don’t buy ANY beauty products.  So much for trying to stay out of a salon as a way to avoid being investigated for suspected terrorism…</p>
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		<title>By: robspierre</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/buy-beauty-products-you-might-be-a-terrorism-suspect/#comment-192901</link>
		<dc:creator>robspierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Last and best (then I’ll stop): &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/200608/msg00087.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.interesting-people......00087.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last and best (then I’ll stop): <a href="http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/200608/msg00087.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.interesting-people&#8230;&#8230;00087.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: robspierre</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/buy-beauty-products-you-might-be-a-terrorism-suspect/#comment-192891</link>
		<dc:creator>robspierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Also this: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/nsn/nsn-050418.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.globalsecurity.org/.....050418.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also this: <a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/nsn/nsn-050418.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.globalsecurity.org/&#8230;..050418.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: robspierre</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/buy-beauty-products-you-might-be-a-terrorism-suspect/#comment-192890</link>
		<dc:creator>robspierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 17:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Interesting: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dickdestiny.com/blog/2007/01/nigel-sweeney-and-flour-peroxide-bombs.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.dickdestiny.com/blo.....bombs.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting: <a href="http://www.dickdestiny.com/blog/2007/01/nigel-sweeney-and-flour-peroxide-bombs.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dickdestiny.com/blo&#8230;..bombs.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: robspierre</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/buy-beauty-products-you-might-be-a-terrorism-suspect/#comment-192889</link>
		<dc:creator>robspierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 17:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It is different because it is covert and because we aren’t talking about just any “fertilizer”. Ammonium nitrate is widely used with diesel to make explosives for commercial use, in mining and such. It is, in and of itself, a specialist material. You would not use it in bulk in a home garden. So, if you are not a farmer or a mining engineer with a license, large purchases are suspicious. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Purchases of high-test peroxide might be suspcious. But low-test peroxide and the other materials would not be. The vast majority of purchases would be innocent. Going after innocent people is unfair, more likely to result in false prosecutions, and inefficient from a law-enforcement point of view. Trying to tace all buyers of acetone is like the no-fly list. It creates so many false positives that it is statistically likely to help criminals escape the net.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is different because it is covert and because we aren’t talking about just any “fertilizer”. Ammonium nitrate is widely used with diesel to make explosives for commercial use, in mining and such. It is, in and of itself, a specialist material. You would not use it in bulk in a home garden. So, if you are not a farmer or a mining engineer with a license, large purchases are suspicious. </p>
<p>Purchases of high-test peroxide might be suspcious. But low-test peroxide and the other materials would not be. The vast majority of purchases would be innocent. Going after innocent people is unfair, more likely to result in false prosecutions, and inefficient from a law-enforcement point of view. Trying to tace all buyers of acetone is like the no-fly list. It creates so many false positives that it is statistically likely to help criminals escape the net.</p>
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		<title>By: robspierre</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/buy-beauty-products-you-might-be-a-terrorism-suspect/#comment-192888</link>
		<dc:creator>robspierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 17:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree that there is not enough evidence–only that the type of info that has been leaked is suspicious and therefore suggestive. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am sceptical about claims that this was the same process as the London bombing. At the time, the London bombers were said to have used hexamine (camping stove fuel tablets) and peroxide. MSM reports seem to make no distinction between any of these compounds. Instead, they just say they are “the same” to imply a linkage, somethng that I very much doubt  is there.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also, the claim that Zazi had a bomb recipe traceable to Pakistan is suspect. Why would he. if he were the real deal? All he had to do was to google the compounds, as I just did, or even “bomb making” and he would get all he needed.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that there is not enough evidence–only that the type of info that has been leaked is suspicious and therefore suggestive. </p>
<p>I am sceptical about claims that this was the same process as the London bombing. At the time, the London bombers were said to have used hexamine (camping stove fuel tablets) and peroxide. MSM reports seem to make no distinction between any of these compounds. Instead, they just say they are “the same” to imply a linkage, somethng that I very much doubt  is there.</p>
<p>Also, the claim that Zazi had a bomb recipe traceable to Pakistan is suspect. Why would he. if he were the real deal? All he had to do was to google the compounds, as I just did, or even “bomb making” and he would get all he needed.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 17:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Maybe, maybe not, there is not enough information yet on which to make that inference.  It should be noted that this process they were using is not new in the least and in fact was what the London transit bombers basically used in a variation; these dopes could just be experimenting trying to get a usable product  Without more evidence, there is no way to say.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe, maybe not, there is not enough information yet on which to make that inference.  It should be noted that this process they were using is not new in the least and in fact was what the London transit bombers basically used in a variation; these dopes could just be experimenting trying to get a usable product  Without more evidence, there is no way to say.</p>
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		<title>By: robspierre</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/buy-beauty-products-you-might-be-a-terrorism-suspect/#comment-192886</link>
		<dc:creator>robspierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 17:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am suggesting more than that Zazi and friends were just not that bright. I am suggesting that they lacked any real intent and that a provocateur told them what to buy. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If my amateurish suspicions about the suitability of the chemicals are correct, a provocateur could tell them to purchase these things and maybe even mix them without too much fear of having a real bomb on his hands.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am suggesting more than that Zazi and friends were just not that bright. I am suggesting that they lacked any real intent and that a provocateur told them what to buy. </p>
<p>If my amateurish suspicions about the suitability of the chemicals are correct, a provocateur could tell them to purchase these things and maybe even mix them without too much fear of having a real bomb on his hands.</p>
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		<title>By: robspierre</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/10/01/buy-beauty-products-you-might-be-a-terrorism-suspect/#comment-192885</link>
		<dc:creator>robspierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 16:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;They are definitely not WMD. Organic peroxides are very powerful explosives, but very sensitive–so much so that they have no military or commercial applications. Instead, in the US, they are mainly a danger in organic chemistry labs, where they form spontaneously in storage closets.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are definitely not WMD. Organic peroxides are very powerful explosives, but very sensitive–so much so that they have no military or commercial applications. Instead, in the US, they are mainly a danger in organic chemistry labs, where they form spontaneously in storage closets.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 16:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh, I know.  Crikey, they had Ted Kennedy on the damn thing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I know.  Crikey, they had Ted Kennedy on the damn thing.</p>
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