Comments on: The Senator Henceforth to Be Known as Jay Rock http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-senator-henceforth-to-be-known-as-jay-rock/ Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:48:32 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: PaulaT http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-senator-henceforth-to-be-known-as-jay-rock/#comment-192505 PaulaT Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:57:51 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-senator-henceforth-to-be-known-as-jay-rock/#comment-192505 <p>I have also wondered if Kennedy’s death has had an impact. It almost seems as if he is stepping up to fill the son of privilege looking out for the little guy role. Maybe he could get away with more waffling when Kennedy was that guy and he was just another guy but now he feels the need to lead. Or maybe he’s just liberal on health care and not on national security. Or maybe the outcry and polls for the public option influence him as much as the everyone must be a patriot fervor did, but we just like this influence better. Whatever the reason, I’m glad he’s standing up and I love that he is telling it like it is to Baucus’ face on C-SPAN. No Harry Reid helping to hide the culprits, he’s calling them out and stirring the pot.</p> I have also wondered if Kennedy’s death has had an impact. It almost seems as if he is stepping up to fill the son of privilege looking out for the little guy role. Maybe he could get away with more waffling when Kennedy was that guy and he was just another guy but now he feels the need to lead. Or maybe he’s just liberal on health care and not on national security. Or maybe the outcry and polls for the public option influence him as much as the everyone must be a patriot fervor did, but we just like this influence better. Whatever the reason, I’m glad he’s standing up and I love that he is telling it like it is to Baucus’ face on C-SPAN. No Harry Reid helping to hide the culprits, he’s calling them out and stirring the pot.

]]> By: freepatriot http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-senator-henceforth-to-be-known-as-jay-rock/#comment-192503 freepatriot Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:54:52 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-senator-henceforth-to-be-known-as-jay-rock/#comment-192503 <p>jebus, what a thread</p> <p>who ARE all of these folks, an how’d they get in ???</p> <p>has bmaz been passing out memberships in the bus station again <em>(I’m convinced that’s how all the Candians ended up here, it was a Grand Canyon tour group)</em></p> <p>welcome aboard newbs, and the old guys I don’t recognize …</p> <p>(wink)</p> <p>and somebody tell phred that <strike>steroids</strike> ampersands really help with the duckin & runnin</p> jebus, what a thread

who ARE all of these folks, an how’d they get in ???

has bmaz been passing out memberships in the bus station again (I’m convinced that’s how all the Candians ended up here, it was a Grand Canyon tour group)

welcome aboard newbs, and the old guys I don’t recognize …

(wink)

and somebody tell phred that steroids ampersands really help with the duckin & runnin

]]> By: bobschacht http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-senator-henceforth-to-be-known-as-jay-rock/#comment-192463 bobschacht Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:06:10 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-senator-henceforth-to-be-known-as-jay-rock/#comment-192463 <p>EW @74:<br /> I did a diary on The Seminal in August, <a href="http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/7013" rel="nofollow">The Senate’s Blue Dogs</a>, based on Glenn Greenwald’s dirty dozen examples of “bipartisanship” on Jan. 30, 2008, IIRC. In the dozen important test cases, Ben Nelson voted all 12 times with the Republicans, along with Spector, who was still a Republican at the time. Next, voting with the Republicans 11/12 times, were Carper, Landrieu and Lieberman. Next were Pryor (D-AR), 10-1 with the Republicans, Nelson, Bill (D-FL), 10-2, and the surprising Johnson (D-SD), 9-1 with the Republicans. Since his stroke, Johnson has suddenly turned into a DINO. Others who voted more often with the Republicans than with most Democrats were Dorgan (D-ND), 8-3; Salazar (D-CO), 8-3, Bayh (D-IN), 8-4, Conrad (D-ND), 8-4, Lincoln (D-AR), 8-4, Feinstein (D-CA), 7-4, Baucus (D-MT), 7-5, and Mikulski (D-MD), 7-5. We should find good Democratic challengers for the top 6, at least. Jello aka Rocky Jay was 6-6.</p> <p>Loo Hoo @95:<br /> “Lots of dementia in former NFL types.”<br /> Yeah, like Mohammed Ali isn’t really punch drunk from getting hit in the head thousands of times by large strong angry men, he’s just got some neurological disorder with a fancy name. Football players use their heads in lots of ways, many of them injurious to mental health.</p> <p>I have a nephew who played linebacker for Cornell for a year before figuring out that he was getting concussions from action on the field to the point where he could not remember some of the plays that he participated in. At that point, I think he switched to tennis. Now he’s an assistant coach for one of the best high school football teams in Illinois. I should ask him if his experience with concussions has affected the way he coaches his players.</p> <p>Bob in AZ</p> EW @74:
I did a diary on The Seminal in August, The Senate’s Blue Dogs, based on Glenn Greenwald’s dirty dozen examples of “bipartisanship” on Jan. 30, 2008, IIRC. In the dozen important test cases, Ben Nelson voted all 12 times with the Republicans, along with Spector, who was still a Republican at the time. Next, voting with the Republicans 11/12 times, were Carper, Landrieu and Lieberman. Next were Pryor (D-AR), 10-1 with the Republicans, Nelson, Bill (D-FL), 10-2, and the surprising Johnson (D-SD), 9-1 with the Republicans. Since his stroke, Johnson has suddenly turned into a DINO. Others who voted more often with the Republicans than with most Democrats were Dorgan (D-ND), 8-3; Salazar (D-CO), 8-3, Bayh (D-IN), 8-4, Conrad (D-ND), 8-4, Lincoln (D-AR), 8-4, Feinstein (D-CA), 7-4, Baucus (D-MT), 7-5, and Mikulski (D-MD), 7-5. We should find good Democratic challengers for the top 6, at least. Jello aka Rocky Jay was 6-6.

Loo Hoo @95:
“Lots of dementia in former NFL types.”
Yeah, like Mohammed Ali isn’t really punch drunk from getting hit in the head thousands of times by large strong angry men, he’s just got some neurological disorder with a fancy name. Football players use their heads in lots of ways, many of them injurious to mental health.

I have a nephew who played linebacker for Cornell for a year before figuring out that he was getting concussions from action on the field to the point where he could not remember some of the plays that he participated in. At that point, I think he switched to tennis. Now he’s an assistant coach for one of the best high school football teams in Illinois. I should ask him if his experience with concussions has affected the way he coaches his players.

Bob in AZ

]]> By: Petrocelli http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-senator-henceforth-to-be-known-as-jay-rock/#comment-192451 Petrocelli Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:03:05 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-senator-henceforth-to-be-known-as-jay-rock/#comment-192451 <p>You do realize that you’re attempting to insult someone who is many times smarter than you, right ?</p> You do realize that you’re attempting to insult someone who is many times smarter than you, right ?

]]> By: tbau http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-senator-henceforth-to-be-known-as-jay-rock/#comment-192432 tbau Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:04:17 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-senator-henceforth-to-be-known-as-jay-rock/#comment-192432 <p>LOL! jay could see the signs on the wall–this is kabuki to earn jay some cred. </p> <p>get them stars out of your eyes, you’re embarrassing yourself: once jello, ALWAYS jello.</p> LOL! jay could see the signs on the wall–this is kabuki to earn jay some cred.

get them stars out of your eyes, you’re embarrassing yourself: once jello, ALWAYS jello.

]]> By: constantweader http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-senator-henceforth-to-be-known-as-jay-rock/#comment-192427 constantweader Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:12:14 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-senator-henceforth-to-be-known-as-jay-rock/#comment-192427 <p>What a tragi-comedy that we must turn to a man who’s never had to wonder where his next dime is coming from (his grandfather used to stand on street corners giving dimes to kids) to protect the public from preening “populists” whose favorite constituency resides of K Street, Washington, D.C., U.S.A.</p> <p>Thanks to Marcy for recognizing Jay Rock. Let’s hope he <em>does </em>stay stubborn.</p> <p>The Constant Weader at <a href="http://www.RealityChex.com" rel="nofollow">www.RealityChex.com</a></p> What a tragi-comedy that we must turn to a man who’s never had to wonder where his next dime is coming from (his grandfather used to stand on street corners giving dimes to kids) to protect the public from preening “populists” whose favorite constituency resides of K Street, Washington, D.C., U.S.A.

Thanks to Marcy for recognizing Jay Rock. Let’s hope he does stay stubborn.

The Constant Weader at http://www.RealityChex.com

]]> By: Leen http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-senator-henceforth-to-be-known-as-jay-rock/#comment-192425 Leen Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:58:04 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-senator-henceforth-to-be-known-as-jay-rock/#comment-192425 <p>Wendell Potter on Democracy Now today<br /> Potter to Amy<br /> ” I’ve been contacted by a lot of members of Congress, senators and members of the House, and I’ve had a chance to sit down and talk with them about some of the things that I know as a former insider, someone who’s worked twenty years in the industry. Not once have I heard from anyone on Senator Baucus’s team.”</p> <p>Says volumes</p> Wendell Potter on Democracy Now today
Potter to Amy
” I’ve been contacted by a lot of members of Congress, senators and members of the House, and I’ve had a chance to sit down and talk with them about some of the things that I know as a former insider, someone who’s worked twenty years in the industry. Not once have I heard from anyone on Senator Baucus’s team.”

Says volumes

]]> By: emptywheel http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-senator-henceforth-to-be-known-as-jay-rock/#comment-192424 emptywheel Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:50:55 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-senator-henceforth-to-be-known-as-jay-rock/#comment-192424 <p>No, DeMan made a career off of riffing on literary tropes. And one of my friends wrote a book on the literary tropes at the center of the myths underlying Israeli nationhood.</p> <p>We’re all about the troposhere, we lit hacks, you see.</p> No, DeMan made a career off of riffing on literary tropes. And one of my friends wrote a book on the literary tropes at the center of the myths underlying Israeli nationhood.

We’re all about the troposhere, we lit hacks, you see.

]]> By: Leen http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-senator-henceforth-to-be-known-as-jay-rock/#comment-192423 Leen Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:50:38 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-senator-henceforth-to-be-known-as-jay-rock/#comment-192423 <p>Listening to Amy Goodmans interview with Wendell Potter about the health care reform dance yesterday</p> <p>WENDELL POTTER: You know, I think it could happen in a number of different ways. The House legislation, I think, that is ultimately passed by the House will include a strong public option. And I know from talking to many members of Congress that there is very strong support in both the House and the Senate. And the bill that came out of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, which had been led by Senator Kennedy and now is being led by Senator Tom Harkin of Iowa, has a very strong public option. </p> <p>This is the only committee, the Senate Finance Committee, that has rejected it at this point, and it’s the most conservative of the committees. I hope that Senator Baucus will come to realize that he is one of sixty Democrats who can get this bill through Congress and get it through the Senate and that he understands that his responsibility should be to persuade those other members of his party in the Senate that they should vote for this and the reasons why he gave, himself, why it’s important. </p> <p><a href="http://www.democracynow.org/20…..ter_blasts" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.democracynow.org/20" rel="nofollow">http://www.democracynow.org/20</a>…..ter_blasts</p> <p>Amy interviewed Scott Ritter about the Iran “hype” yesterday<br /><a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/29/fmr_un_weapons_inspector_scott_ritter" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.democracynow.org/20" rel="nofollow">http://www.democracynow.org/20</a>…..ott_ritter</p> Listening to Amy Goodmans interview with Wendell Potter about the health care reform dance yesterday

WENDELL POTTER: You know, I think it could happen in a number of different ways. The House legislation, I think, that is ultimately passed by the House will include a strong public option. And I know from talking to many members of Congress that there is very strong support in both the House and the Senate. And the bill that came out of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, which had been led by Senator Kennedy and now is being led by Senator Tom Harkin of Iowa, has a very strong public option.

This is the only committee, the Senate Finance Committee, that has rejected it at this point, and it’s the most conservative of the committees. I hope that Senator Baucus will come to realize that he is one of sixty Democrats who can get this bill through Congress and get it through the Senate and that he understands that his responsibility should be to persuade those other members of his party in the Senate that they should vote for this and the reasons why he gave, himself, why it’s important.

http://www.democracynow.org/20…..ter_blasts

Amy interviewed Scott Ritter about the Iran “hype” yesterday
http://www.democracynow.org/20…..ott_ritter

]]> By: Petrocelli http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-senator-henceforth-to-be-known-as-jay-rock/#comment-192422 Petrocelli Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:49:49 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-senator-henceforth-to-be-known-as-jay-rock/#comment-192422 <p>I met Mike Singletary at a Conference, many moons ago. The man is endowed with a great deal of character and poise, he must be an amazing leader to play for.</p> I met Mike Singletary at a Conference, many moons ago. The man is endowed with a great deal of character and poise, he must be an amazing leader to play for.

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