Comments on: The Lack of Discipline Is Spelled R-A-H-M http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-lack-of-discipline-is-spelled-r-a-h-m/ Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:48:32 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: bobschacht http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-lack-of-discipline-is-spelled-r-a-h-m/#comment-192560 bobschacht Thu, 01 Oct 2009 03:33:32 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-lack-of-discipline-is-spelled-r-a-h-m/#comment-192560 <p>Your link to Dean vs. Emmanuel only leads to the HuffPo main page. The full link to Cenk Uygur’s post is <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/howard-dean-vs-rahm-emanu_b_303915.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Cenk is right, of course.</p> <p>Bob in AZ</p> Your link to Dean vs. Emmanuel only leads to the HuffPo main page. The full link to Cenk Uygur’s post is here. Cenk is right, of course.

Bob in AZ

]]> By: Nell http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-lack-of-discipline-is-spelled-r-a-h-m/#comment-192534 Nell Thu, 01 Oct 2009 00:25:12 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-lack-of-discipline-is-spelled-r-a-h-m/#comment-192534 <p><i>I just can’t believe McChrystal still has his job after the leaks and the TV appearances.</i></p> <p>I “just can’t believe” McChrystal got his job after running a task force in which torture was routine. After he assured his subordinates that neither the Red Cross nor any internal investigators would be allowed access. After he brought in JAGs to tell the torturers that whatever they did was legal.</p> <p>Obama made his cowardly deals by not taking any aspect of the no-torture pledge seriously in terms of its implications for further action. It was purely and simply an incantation to keep us hopeful (and maybe quiet) for a while. </p> <p>With McChrystal, they determinedly only Looked Forward. It was just before his confirmation hearings that Obama moved to suppressed the release of the torture photos. In addition to underlining how widespread and systematic the policy was, the images would directly have implicated Odierno and McChrystal. Now they’re paying a predictable price. Did they honestly think someone who energetically runs a torture and kill team task force would be <i>grateful</i> for explicit impunity?</p> I just can’t believe McChrystal still has his job after the leaks and the TV appearances.

I “just can’t believe” McChrystal got his job after running a task force in which torture was routine. After he assured his subordinates that neither the Red Cross nor any internal investigators would be allowed access. After he brought in JAGs to tell the torturers that whatever they did was legal.

Obama made his cowardly deals by not taking any aspect of the no-torture pledge seriously in terms of its implications for further action. It was purely and simply an incantation to keep us hopeful (and maybe quiet) for a while.

With McChrystal, they determinedly only Looked Forward. It was just before his confirmation hearings that Obama moved to suppressed the release of the torture photos. In addition to underlining how widespread and systematic the policy was, the images would directly have implicated Odierno and McChrystal. Now they’re paying a predictable price. Did they honestly think someone who energetically runs a torture and kill team task force would be grateful for explicit impunity?

]]> By: x174 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-lack-of-discipline-is-spelled-r-a-h-m/#comment-192449 x174 Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:31:30 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-lack-of-discipline-is-spelled-r-a-h-m/#comment-192449 <p>bmaz–not too sure about this idea that Rahm is a team player. from the linked article below (”Howard Dean”), it seems that Rahm has his own ideas and is willing to suffer the consequences of being wrong. That doesn’t sound to me like the Mr. Emanuel you’ve sketched. i think that impression could be drawn, however, from the nasty political issue with Blagojevich in which Rahm appears to be connected in some way (”Rahm Emanuel pushed”). in my view, it looks like Rahm is not a team player (as they say) but, instead, has been rendered increasingly impotent because of what could be construed as his hubris.</p> <p>Howard Dean vs. Rahm Emanuel<br /><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/howard-dean-vs-rahm-emanu_b_303915.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/</a>…..03915.html</p> <p>Rahm Emanuel pushed pal Claypool to warm his House seat: Sun-Times report<br /><a href="http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2009/09/rahm_emanuel_pushed_pal_claypo.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://blogs.suntimes.com/swee" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.suntimes.com/swee</a>…..laypo.html</p> bmaz–not too sure about this idea that Rahm is a team player. from the linked article below (”Howard Dean”), it seems that Rahm has his own ideas and is willing to suffer the consequences of being wrong. That doesn’t sound to me like the Mr. Emanuel you’ve sketched. i think that impression could be drawn, however, from the nasty political issue with Blagojevich in which Rahm appears to be connected in some way (”Rahm Emanuel pushed”). in my view, it looks like Rahm is not a team player (as they say) but, instead, has been rendered increasingly impotent because of what could be construed as his hubris.

Howard Dean vs. Rahm Emanuel
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..03915.html

Rahm Emanuel pushed pal Claypool to warm his House seat: Sun-Times report
http://blogs.suntimes.com/swee…..laypo.html

]]> By: Patri http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-lack-of-discipline-is-spelled-r-a-h-m/#comment-192419 Patri Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:26:27 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-lack-of-discipline-is-spelled-r-a-h-m/#comment-192419 <p>You betcha!</p> You betcha!

]]> By: Patri http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-lack-of-discipline-is-spelled-r-a-h-m/#comment-192418 Patri Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:24:49 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-lack-of-discipline-is-spelled-r-a-h-m/#comment-192418 <p>He most certainly did. Among the HOPEless and CHANGEless group are: Goldman Sachs Geithner; ditto Summers; Uberhawk (Petraeus in 2012)McCrystal; Don’t look at Wall Street, steal from the people Bernanke; Take over Afghanistan (and bomb Iran for Israel) Gates; anti-immigration Napolitan; anti-health care reform Sebelius…shall I go on? So, now, what’s your point? Rahm is only one bad apple among a host of angels? WRONG!!! Rahm is the first among a host of ConservaDems. Obama lied and healthcare reform, people, soldiers, and Democracy DIED.</p> He most certainly did. Among the HOPEless and CHANGEless group are: Goldman Sachs Geithner; ditto Summers; Uberhawk (Petraeus in 2012)McCrystal; Don’t look at Wall Street, steal from the people Bernanke; Take over Afghanistan (and bomb Iran for Israel) Gates; anti-immigration Napolitan; anti-health care reform Sebelius…shall I go on? So, now, what’s your point? Rahm is only one bad apple among a host of angels? WRONG!!! Rahm is the first among a host of ConservaDems. Obama lied and healthcare reform, people, soldiers, and Democracy DIED.

]]> By: Mason http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-lack-of-discipline-is-spelled-r-a-h-m/#comment-192415 Mason Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:54:27 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-lack-of-discipline-is-spelled-r-a-h-m/#comment-192415 <blockquote><p>McChrystal, Petraeus, etc. are incredibly insubordinate. As I have said before - “They fired the wrong four star. They should have gotten rid of Petraeus and Odierno and kept McKiernan to ramrod the draw down in Afghanistan.”</p> <p>Obama has been rolled by the generals and I don’t think he can recover. If he fires them now, he will never be able to stand the right wing heat.</p></blockquote> <p>I fear that Obama’s recent get-tough attitude (1) with Pakistan by threatening to carpet bomb a city of 750,000 people with drones slinging Hellfire missiles because too many Taliban are hanging out there (which Pakistan denies), and (2) with Iran by threatening to starve its citizens to death with embargoes because it’s building a nuclear bomb in the Qom facility (despite no evidence to support the claim and Qom isn’t new because Bush-Cheney knew about it) is a direct result of Obama’s insecurity caused by the military insubordination and his need to cover it up by playing “Make My Day.”</p> <p>He should have fired McChrystal, Petraeous, and Gates instead of initiating a game of thuggery with Pakistan and Iran that could end up causing the deaths of thousands upon thousands of innocent people, if not two more wars further destabilizing the region, not to mention the lost lives and injuries of our troops as well as the destruction of our economy.</p> <p>This is sheer unadulterated madness.</p>

McChrystal, Petraeus, etc. are incredibly insubordinate. As I have said before – “They fired the wrong four star. They should have gotten rid of Petraeus and Odierno and kept McKiernan to ramrod the draw down in Afghanistan.”

Obama has been rolled by the generals and I don’t think he can recover. If he fires them now, he will never be able to stand the right wing heat.

I fear that Obama’s recent get-tough attitude (1) with Pakistan by threatening to carpet bomb a city of 750,000 people with drones slinging Hellfire missiles because too many Taliban are hanging out there (which Pakistan denies), and (2) with Iran by threatening to starve its citizens to death with embargoes because it’s building a nuclear bomb in the Qom facility (despite no evidence to support the claim and Qom isn’t new because Bush-Cheney knew about it) is a direct result of Obama’s insecurity caused by the military insubordination and his need to cover it up by playing “Make My Day.”

He should have fired McChrystal, Petraeous, and Gates instead of initiating a game of thuggery with Pakistan and Iran that could end up causing the deaths of thousands upon thousands of innocent people, if not two more wars further destabilizing the region, not to mention the lost lives and injuries of our troops as well as the destruction of our economy.

This is sheer unadulterated madness.

]]> By: fatster http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-lack-of-discipline-is-spelled-r-a-h-m/#comment-192380 fatster Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:26:57 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-lack-of-discipline-is-spelled-r-a-h-m/#comment-192380 <p>Meanwhile, the prosecutor in the <a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iM_YyWi9inE9T_InTSAg1w3qlraAD9B1M4983" rel="nofollow">Milan CIA renditions trial </a>has given closing arguments.</p> Meanwhile, the prosecutor in the Milan CIA renditions trial has given closing arguments.

]]> By: fatster http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-lack-of-discipline-is-spelled-r-a-h-m/#comment-192371 fatster Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:09:09 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-lack-of-discipline-is-spelled-r-a-h-m/#comment-192371 <p>Remember all the lying that resulted in the Iraq attack? <a href="http://rawstory.com/2009/09/analysis-finds-holes-in-us-iran-story-us-may-have-pretended-to-know-about-facility/" rel="nofollow">Is it happening again </a>(Iran) ?</p> Remember all the lying that resulted in the Iraq attack? Is it happening again (Iran) ?

]]> By: Leen http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-lack-of-discipline-is-spelled-r-a-h-m/#comment-192366 Leen Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:54:19 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-lack-of-discipline-is-spelled-r-a-h-m/#comment-192366 <p>“<br /> I’d wrap into what Packer is saying more if he hadn’t been such a useful tool of the prior administration for selling the fiction of us as liberators of Iraq having flowers thrown at our feet. I think if he really wants Obama to “succeed” in Afghanistan, he needs to fist fess up that he’s a guy who’s been mostly on the wrong sides of the calls for Iraq and Afghanistan and that “success” in Afghanistan is mostly a literary device that he and others like him milk. He “writes pretty” but Assassin’s Gate was horribly depressing only in part for the tales that unfolded - and just as much for the mindset of the writer that was revealed in it.”</p> <p>This makes sense.</p> <p>Really appreciate reading Fed and Mary’s opinions. Thanks</p> “
I’d wrap into what Packer is saying more if he hadn’t been such a useful tool of the prior administration for selling the fiction of us as liberators of Iraq having flowers thrown at our feet. I think if he really wants Obama to “succeed” in Afghanistan, he needs to fist fess up that he’s a guy who’s been mostly on the wrong sides of the calls for Iraq and Afghanistan and that “success” in Afghanistan is mostly a literary device that he and others like him milk. He “writes pretty” but Assassin’s Gate was horribly depressing only in part for the tales that unfolded – and just as much for the mindset of the writer that was revealed in it.”

This makes sense.

Really appreciate reading Fed and Mary’s opinions. Thanks

]]> By: tbau http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-lack-of-discipline-is-spelled-r-a-h-m/#comment-192353 tbau Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:20:59 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/the-lack-of-discipline-is-spelled-r-a-h-m/#comment-192353 <p>rahm is doing EXACTLY what obama wants.</p> <p>lack of discipline, 11-dimensional chess, no drama bama, etc are all DEFLECTIONS from the fact that at heart, obama has an apprehensive temperament. and i don’t buy those alibis for a second.</p> rahm is doing EXACTLY what obama wants.

lack of discipline, 11-dimensional chess, no drama bama, etc are all DEFLECTIONS from the fact that at heart, obama has an apprehensive temperament. and i don’t buy those alibis for a second.

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