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	<title>Comments on: Vote Fraud in Clay County and the Hanged Census Worker</title>
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		<title>By: ToddE</title>
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		<dc:creator>ToddE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 20:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’ll “Cry Wolf” if no one else is willing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wolves have been howling for blood for nine months.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;People have been leading these wolves to ‘the feds’ door for a while.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now we have a dead federal worker who appears to be killed by a wolf.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;at some point in time not crying wolf become irresponsible.  I understand a caveat might need to be thrown out there, but let’s admit the facts as we know them, point to a wolf attack&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ll “Cry Wolf” if no one else is willing.</p>
<p>Wolves have been howling for blood for nine months.</p>
<p>People have been leading these wolves to ‘the feds’ door for a while.</p>
<p>Now we have a dead federal worker who appears to be killed by a wolf.</p>
<p>at some point in time not crying wolf become irresponsible.  I understand a caveat might need to be thrown out there, but let’s admit the facts as we know them, point to a wolf attack</p>
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		<title>By: fatster</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/09/24/vote-fraud-in-clay-county-and-the-hanged-census-worker/#comment-191530</link>
		<dc:creator>fatster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I just put the link on the latest post by EW.  I should have come here first.  Sowwy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just put the link on the latest post by EW.  I should have come here first.  Sowwy.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 00:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Updated brad blog on this issue&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7432&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7432&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Updated brad blog on this issue<br /><a href="http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7432" rel="nofollow">http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7432</a></p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 00:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Since it appears that our Reps could give a rats ass about who created, disseminated all of the false pre war intelligence.  They have more important issues to check into than what led us into a war based on a “pack of lies”  resulting in hundreds of thousands of people dead, injured and millions displaced.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They have to go pick some ACORNS since they don’t have any Presidents blow jobs to investigate&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since it appears that our Reps could give a rats ass about who created, disseminated all of the false pre war intelligence.  They have more important issues to check into than what led us into a war based on a “pack of lies”  resulting in hundreds of thousands of people dead, injured and millions displaced.</p>
<p>They have to go pick some ACORNS since they don’t have any Presidents blow jobs to investigate</p>
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		<title>By: fatster</title>
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		<dc:creator>fatster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It surely was worth the whole read and it is a keeper. Many thnx.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Surely, even those in the general population who are in denial that things done to these very bad men to extract info from them are basically ok given the situation, will have to go through some fancy confabulating to make it ok that this boy/teenager was put through this terrible ordeal–and could scarcely be expected to deliver any kind of truth afterwards anyway.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“According to Judge Stephen Henley, the U.S. Army colonel who ruled on Jawad’s military commission case, Jawad was “moved from cell to cell 112 times from 7 May 2004 to 20 May 2004, on average of about once every three hours.” Jawad was shackled but not interrogated; “the scheme was calculated to profoundly disrupt his mental senses.”’&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(I know, I know, the intent was to produce “actionable intelligence” and not the truth, but still. . . }&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It surely was worth the whole read and it is a keeper. Many thnx.  </p>
<p>Surely, even those in the general population who are in denial that things done to these very bad men to extract info from them are basically ok given the situation, will have to go through some fancy confabulating to make it ok that this boy/teenager was put through this terrible ordeal–and could scarcely be expected to deliver any kind of truth afterwards anyway.  </p>
<p>“According to Judge Stephen Henley, the U.S. Army colonel who ruled on Jawad’s military commission case, Jawad was “moved from cell to cell 112 times from 7 May 2004 to 20 May 2004, on average of about once every three hours.” Jawad was shackled but not interrogated; “the scheme was calculated to profoundly disrupt his mental senses.”’</p>
<p>(I know, I know, the intent was to produce “actionable intelligence” and not the truth, but still. . . }</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;On the one hand I’m glad Higazy got something and given the Beck Effect in the Dept of Justice, you’d have a hard time counseling him to do anything other than take the money, but I’m kind of sorry that this means no trial on his case, no public testimony, no additional discovery, and no case law (although there were risks there too) comeing from it.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;His lawyer is wrong about him being in prison now if the pilot hadn’t shown up, though.  He would have been transferred to torture - GITMO or more likely a black site, since he had “confessed” to having a role in the 9/11 attacks.  And he would have “given up” *information* too. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What happened with Higazy should have been something really taken to heart within DOJ - showing what was going to happen if we used rage instead of reason.  Instead, it was a sign of things to come to anyone paying attention.  No remorse, no concern - no one at DOJ worried in the least about coercing false confessions about something so important.  Instead, an internal investigation by DOJ that ended up with Comey, who was USA at the time, smarming about what a great job DOJ did in the Higazy interrogations.  One of the paver stones on the road to hell.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the one hand I’m glad Higazy got something and given the Beck Effect in the Dept of Justice, you’d have a hard time counseling him to do anything other than take the money, but I’m kind of sorry that this means no trial on his case, no public testimony, no additional discovery, and no case law (although there were risks there too) comeing from it.  </p>
<p>His lawyer is wrong about him being in prison now if the pilot hadn’t shown up, though.  He would have been transferred to torture &#8211; GITMO or more likely a black site, since he had “confessed” to having a role in the 9/11 attacks.  And he would have “given up” *information* too. </p>
<p>What happened with Higazy should have been something really taken to heart within DOJ &#8211; showing what was going to happen if we used rage instead of reason.  Instead, it was a sign of things to come to anyone paying attention.  No remorse, no concern &#8211; no one at DOJ worried in the least about coercing false confessions about something so important.  Instead, an internal investigation by DOJ that ended up with Comey, who was USA at the time, smarming about what a great job DOJ did in the Higazy interrogations.  One of the paver stones on the road to hell.</p>
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		<title>By: Palli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Palli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;outlandish…..but no one is explaining an obvious technique for murder:  tie a rope around a unconscious person’s neck, put them in the open bed of a truck, tie the other end to an immovable object and drive off &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BTW, does anyone know if he was wearing a census ID badge. The man who came to confirm us was wearing a large one on a cord around his neck.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>outlandish…..but no one is explaining an obvious technique for murder:  tie a rope around a unconscious person’s neck, put them in the open bed of a truck, tie the other end to an immovable object and drive off </p>
<p>BTW, does anyone know if he was wearing a census ID badge. The man who came to confirm us was wearing a large one on a cord around his neck.</p>
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		<title>By: radiofreewill</title>
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		<dc:creator>radiofreewill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OT - It’s looking like Obama is going to call-out Iran this morning for Cheating - by failing to disclose a Secret Uranium Enrichment Facility - while Publicly Claiming only a legitimate, peaceful Energy Program.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Obama could, imvho, make the case that Iran - having broken trust with the rest of the World - must now submit to the Complete Nuclear Regulatory Regime, or be officially branded a Rogue State.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT &#8211; It’s looking like Obama is going to call-out Iran this morning for Cheating &#8211; by failing to disclose a Secret Uranium Enrichment Facility &#8211; while Publicly Claiming only a legitimate, peaceful Energy Program.</p>
<p>Obama could, imvho, make the case that Iran &#8211; having broken trust with the rest of the World &#8211; must now submit to the Complete Nuclear Regulatory Regime, or be officially branded a Rogue State.</p>
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		<title>By: MadDog</title>
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		<dc:creator>MadDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OT - From Daphne Eviatar over at the Windy, this new scoop:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://washingtonindependent.com/60833/documents-suggest-detainee-abuses-by-defense-department&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Documents Suggest Detainee Abuses by Defense Department&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;New documents obtained by TWI related to &lt;a href=&quot;http://washingtonindependent.com/58170/jawad-case-supports-argument-for-broader-investigation&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the case of Mohammed Jawad&lt;/a&gt;, an adolescent tortured by Afghan police and then abused again by U.S. interrogators, suggest that not only certain CIA interrogations, but  of interrogations by the Department of Defense demand a broader investigation as well.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Last month, Attorney General Eric Holder &lt;a href=&quot;http://washingtonindependent.com/56199/holder-to-appoint-prosecutor-to-investigate-cia-interrogations&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;announced that he would investigate&lt;/a&gt; only CIA interrogations that appeared to have violated the agency’s rules and guidance from the Department of Justice. The Jawad case, however, reveals that U.S. military interrogations also violated well-established laws and appear to have violated the Justice Department’s legal guidelines as well. The newly-obtained documents also reveal that the Department of Defense repeatedly failed to follow up on complaints by Jawad’s lawyers that its officers were breaking the law…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;…A military judge in Jawad’s case &lt;a href=&quot;http://washingtonindependent.com/48370/u-s-relies-on-tortured-evidence-in-habeas-case&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;excluded his “confessions”&lt;/a&gt; in part on the grounds that he endured 14 days straight of sleep deprivation (by means of what came to be known as the “frequent flyer” program), which may well have amounted to torture. Justice Department &lt;a href=&quot;http://washingtonindependent.com/57617/doj-advice-on-sleep-deprivation-varied-widely&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;memos approved up to 96 hours&lt;/a&gt; of sleep deprivation, although some make reference to 180 hours, which would be 11 days. But 14 days exceeds the guidelines of all of the legal memos regarding interrogations that have been revealed so far.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;According to Judge Stephen Henley, the U.S. Army colonel who ruled on Jawad’s military commission case, Jawad was “moved from cell to cell 112 times from 7 May 2004 to 20 May 2004, on average of about once every three hours.” Jawad was shackled but not interrogated; “the scheme was calculated to profoundly disrupt his mental senses…”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well worth the whole read!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT &#8211; From Daphne Eviatar over at the Windy, this new scoop:</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://washingtonindependent.com/60833/documents-suggest-detainee-abuses-by-defense-department" rel="nofollow">Documents Suggest Detainee Abuses by Defense Department</a></p>
<p>New documents obtained by TWI related to <a href="http://washingtonindependent.com/58170/jawad-case-supports-argument-for-broader-investigation" rel="nofollow">the case of Mohammed Jawad</a>, an adolescent tortured by Afghan police and then abused again by U.S. interrogators, suggest that not only certain CIA interrogations, but  of interrogations by the Department of Defense demand a broader investigation as well.</p>
<p>Last month, Attorney General Eric Holder <a href="http://washingtonindependent.com/56199/holder-to-appoint-prosecutor-to-investigate-cia-interrogations" rel="nofollow">announced that he would investigate</a> only CIA interrogations that appeared to have violated the agency’s rules and guidance from the Department of Justice. The Jawad case, however, reveals that U.S. military interrogations also violated well-established laws and appear to have violated the Justice Department’s legal guidelines as well. The newly-obtained documents also reveal that the Department of Defense repeatedly failed to follow up on complaints by Jawad’s lawyers that its officers were breaking the law…</p>
<p>…A military judge in Jawad’s case <a href="http://washingtonindependent.com/48370/u-s-relies-on-tortured-evidence-in-habeas-case" rel="nofollow">excluded his “confessions”</a> in part on the grounds that he endured 14 days straight of sleep deprivation (by means of what came to be known as the “frequent flyer” program), which may well have amounted to torture. Justice Department <a href="http://washingtonindependent.com/57617/doj-advice-on-sleep-deprivation-varied-widely" rel="nofollow">memos approved up to 96 hours</a> of sleep deprivation, although some make reference to 180 hours, which would be 11 days. But 14 days exceeds the guidelines of all of the legal memos regarding interrogations that have been revealed so far.</p>
<p>According to Judge Stephen Henley, the U.S. Army colonel who ruled on Jawad’s military commission case, Jawad was “moved from cell to cell 112 times from 7 May 2004 to 20 May 2004, on average of about once every three hours.” Jawad was shackled but not interrogated; “the scheme was calculated to profoundly disrupt his mental senses…”</p>
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<p>Well worth the whole read!</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 06:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bob - That was from January.  The motions argued yesterday are under advisement, I expect Walker’s decision in 2-4 weeks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob &#8211; That was from January.  The motions argued yesterday are under advisement, I expect Walker’s decision in 2-4 weeks.</p>
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