Comments on: Torture Is Counterproductive To Interrogation Results!

By: lysias

lysias — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:24:32 +0000

Who revealed that the congresswoman was bisexual?

Is it just a coincidence that Jan Schakowsky and Denny Hastert were members of the same congressional delegation?

By: lysias

lysias — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:22:32 +0000

So the torture didn’t just produce the false confessions the torturers wanted, it also destroyed the victims’ memories of what really happened.

Is it any wonder the authorities at Guantanamo and the other torture prisons wouldn’t allow staffers of the 9/11 Commission to have access to the torture victims?

By: Hmmm

Hmmm — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 00:21:59 +0000

Real shame to see bmaz’ excellent post sidetracked by the underbridger. FWIW, its line “Forced health care payments (at the point of a gun)…” is a dead giveaway it’s a Rand devotee, and has there ever, in the history of ever, been any human subtype more pitifully corrupted that that? Why no. No there hasn’t been.

By: bmaz

bmaz — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:23:42 +0000

Ouch! And nice job too!

By: Gasman

Gasman — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:11:21 +0000

Aside from engaging in an ad hominem attack on me personally, you dodged all of the factual content of my post. Now you compare mighty warrior Bush to Clinton? That is a pathetic strawman argument. I notice that almost no wingnut dares try and compare Bush’s illustrious combat record to John Kerry’s. Kerry was a bona fide hero, but you assholes place lockstep party loyalty ahead of genuine honor and valor. How many Purple Hearts, Silver Stars, and Bronze Stars did W earn?

It is common knowledge that Bush’s unit was top heavy with the son’s of privilege who wanted to dodge both combat and the charge of cowardice. There were Republican AND Democrats in that unit, along with several Dallas Cowboys players. It was safe stateside duty for well connected draft age men. Bush is a pussy that lacked the stones to fight in a war he said he believed in. If he had wanted to fight in Viet Nam, they would have sent him.

Why are there NO members of the Alabama Air National Guard who remember serving with Bush? Hell, by his own admission, at that time he was a drunken skirt chaser who was the life of the party. Surely, at least ONE person would remember serving with him? The little fucker went AWOL and because his daddy and grandpa had political clout, he got away with it. Bush was, is, and always will be a coward.

The reason you dodge the questions is because you know you’ve got zero factual evidence to back up your claims. So, you change the subject or launch hyperbolic attacks to avoid the issues at hand.

The next time you engage in a battle wits, don’t come unarmed. If you can’t cite any facts or evidence to back up your imbecilic claims, the STFU.

By: earlofhuntingdon

earlofhuntingdon — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:16:49 +0000

I think the projection in some of these bridge trolls is funny. It describes the Cheney-Bush administration to a T. The banks and IT “security” firms and mercenary industries and much of automotive could not survive without the government teat. Let’s not forget every business, from shopping mall to mega-factory, that extorts tax and other concessions from government in exchange for a few jobs and the ability to leave behind an environmental and social mess when they walk away.

Bush accumulated a deficit bigger than all his predecessor’s combined, etc. But it’s Obama’s fault. Right. Same meme, different name. Not very original.

As for working for a capitalist, I imagine that means you have fully-funded health care and retirement packages, a safe workplace, and fair daily compensation. Or doesn’t Karl believe in providing his staff with such things?

By: Leen

Leen — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:47:49 +0000

“nothing”

By: prostratedragon

prostratedragon — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:38:41 +0000

Thanks, ondelette. We certainly do get a different picture here than elsewhere, eh?

By: bmaz

bmaz — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:59:00 +0000

Hi there. If you have something constructive and on point to say, that is fine; but just coming in here to disrupt with a bunch of generalized crap to hear yourself type and annoy people here is not going to cut it. Your statements are material misrepresentations and wild jabber. And make no mistake, I went back and checked, this is all you have ever done in the way of contribution in your brief time here. Be constructive, or be gone; the choice is yours.

To the rest of you, leave this guy alone; he has got nothing.

By: Leen

Leen — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:40:44 +0000

if what Edmonds is saying is true more doo doo is going to hit the fan. That is if the MSM even touches what she is saying

“EDMONDS: They were the secondary target. They got leftovers from the Turks and Israelis. The FBI would intercept communications to try to identify who the diplomatic target’s intelligence chief was, but then, in addition to that, there are individuals there, maybe the military attaché, who had their own contacts who were operating independently of others in the embassy.

GIRALDI: So the network starts with a person like Grossman in the State Department providing information that enables Turkish and Israeli intelligence officers to have access to people in Congress, who then provide classified information that winds up in the foreign embassies?

EDMONDS: Absolutely. And we also had Pentagon officials doing the same thing. We were looking at Richard Perle and Douglas Feith. They had a list of individuals in the Pentagon broken down by access to certain types of information. Some of them would be policy related, some of them would be weapons-technology related, some of them would be nuclear-related. Perle and Feith would provide the names of those Americans, officials in the Pentagon, to Grossman, together with highly sensitive personal information: this person is a closet gay; this person has a chronic gambling issue; this person is an alcoholic. The files on the American targets would contain things like the size of their mortgages or whether they were going through divorces. One Air Force major I remember was going through a really nasty divorce and a child custody fight. They detailed all different kinds of vulnerabilities.”