EW might have to alter Rockefeller’s nickname if we are correct ;-))

Made me wonder if the real issue here for Republicans is not just to try and kill progressives as a power play through trying to make health care fail, but as an effort to derail the issue of torture?

I had the same sense you did about Rockefeller, as if he’s somehow ‘liberated’ by something that he didn’t share on that program. Either he’s fed up completely, or he sees the GOP as a pack of pathetic scoundrels that he has had to tolerate politely while he patiently waited for other pieces to come together.

As for the ‘real issue’, I’m wondering whether:
1. The GOP is stalling and trying to avoid the topic of ‘torture’ coming up
2. The GOP is further stalling any discussions of economic culpability, and with news items about Paulson possibly being called to testify, and also about Iran using Western banks to launder money so they could buy their nuclear materials, it seems certain that the GOP is going to fling whatever sh*t they can invent to avoid allowing the financial fraud and money laundering topic to hit the public’s awareness
3. Call me nuts, but that strange Ortiz woman who’s heading up the ‘birther’ extremists seems awfully close to the Likud wing in Israel; I can’t tell whether this is just noise from them, or an attempt at diverting the conversation from Obama’s insistence that Israel clean up its act.

Watching John Bolton lose it yesterday over Obama’s decision — backed by the US military commanders — to pull back missile systems from Eastern Europe really underscored for me how dangerously the neocons subverted the US military. Basically, Bolton was saying that the military command doesn’t know its arse from a hole in the ground; how in hell do you ‘reason’ with a nut like that?

And Ortiz has to be somehow connected with the neocon-Likud extremists, so that appears to be one more of their attempts to delegitimize Obama in an attempt to weaken him, but also has the effect of ‘legitimizing’ violence. How long do we have to remain trapped in a futile death spiral of mutual destructiveness by these morons (!). I fervently hope the Secret Service is keeping an eye on some of these people.

As we’ve seen over, and over, and over, these people are tyrannical and appear to be incapable of either nuance or negotiation.

I wonder whether Rockefeller hasn’t become completely fed up with this sort of dangerous drivel, and sees that these jerks have completely overplayed their hand. And with news starting to whisper out about Very Large Banks involved in money laundering for terrorists (and dangerous governments), perhaps Rockefeller sees some progress on some of the issues that he’s been tracking for years….?

I had the same sense of that interview: he seemed to be hiding a twinkle in his eye. I hope that’s the case!

Just a quick side note. Did you catch the Rockefeller interview on the Ed Show? Jay made a strong point regarding the lack of good faith negotiations by the Republicans (starting at 4:40) and emphasized his point with reference to his years on the intel committee. It’s worth watching in terms of the torture debate.

Made me wonder if the real issue here for Republicans is not just to try and kill progressives as a power play through trying to make health care fail, but as an effort to derail the issue of torture?

It appeared to me there was a “connect” in Jay’s mind, perhaps beyond the political strategy by the Repugs.

I needed it. Found out the property next door is in foreclosure.

John Chandler Bancroft Davis (December 22, 1822 – December 27, 1907), commonly known as Bancroft Davis, was an American lawyer, judge, diplomat, and president of Newburgh and New York Railway Company.

From Worcester, Mass., it says, too. Why couldn’t he have stayed at home and kept out of trouble? But, no, he had to go get busy with all kinds of things, apparently. Including jotting down judicial asides.

Lucky the injured turtle gets coasters for feet