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	<title>Comments on: McCain Owes Pelosi an Apology</title>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/31/mccain-owes-pelosi-an-apology/#comment-186236</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 03:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;NEVER underestimate the ability of McCain to lie through his teeth.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NEVER underestimate the ability of McCain to lie through his teeth.</p>
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		<title>By: PJEvans</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/31/mccain-owes-pelosi-an-apology/#comment-186232</link>
		<dc:creator>PJEvans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 03:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Back in May, when Nancy Pelosi was pointing out, correctly, that she had not been briefed that the CIA was already in the torture business, John McCain joined the rest of his party in suggesting that Pelosi could have prevented the torture.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Did McCain even understand what he was voting for, when he voted to authorize torture by other names? If he didn’t, then he’s mentally incompetent to be in congress. If he did, then he’s lying through his bleached and polished teeth.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Back in May, when Nancy Pelosi was pointing out, correctly, that she had not been briefed that the CIA was already in the torture business, John McCain joined the rest of his party in suggesting that Pelosi could have prevented the torture.</p>
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<p>Did McCain even understand what he was voting for, when he voted to authorize torture by other names? If he didn’t, then he’s mentally incompetent to be in congress. If he did, then he’s lying through his bleached and polished teeth.</p>
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		<title>By: timbo</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/31/mccain-owes-pelosi-an-apology/#comment-186231</link>
		<dc:creator>timbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 03:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Agreed.  It would be a good time for him to get back on the air in the U.S. so the thugs have to explain it all over again to the American people.  Already the U.S. judicial system has sullied our name by refusing to hear his case…on ‘national security grounds’ was it?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.  It would be a good time for him to get back on the air in the U.S. so the thugs have to explain it all over again to the American people.  Already the U.S. judicial system has sullied our name by refusing to hear his case…on ‘national security grounds’ was it?</p>
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		<title>By: libbyliberal</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/31/mccain-owes-pelosi-an-apology/#comment-186197</link>
		<dc:creator>libbyliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 00:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Correction, he was held about two not three months, April 2004 to May 28, 2004, after being officially declared innocent. He hunger struck March 2004.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction, he was held about two not three months, April 2004 to May 28, 2004, after being officially declared innocent. He hunger struck March 2004.</p>
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		<title>By: libbyliberal</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/31/mccain-owes-pelosi-an-apology/#comment-186195</link>
		<dc:creator>libbyliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 00:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One level is the felony and war crime of torture.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But we tortured about 85% INNOCENT people. Why is this not hard-balled during a Cheney interview?  Fox is incapable of thinking that through.  Has it ever made the media conversation ANYWHERE?  Is it addressed at all????? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Has anyone official, Dem or Repub, EVER expressed regret, official regret, over that?  They (Bushco) dropped one innocent guy tortured for over 6 months in the middle of the night in Albania after keeping him caged for 3 additional months after there was solid evidence he was innocent and it was mistaken identity and Tenet and Rice gave permission to release him but then incredible feet-dragging over the the best way to do it — the solution eventually was to DUMP HIM in the dark of night and he was sure it was a setup to kill him and then US arm twisted Germany (his country) not to kick up any outrage, our political arm twisting re intelligence or whatever.  He was picked up by the Albanians for being a terrorist because of his disheveled appearance to add tragic irony to his story. His wife thought he had left her and moved the family back to Lebanon. If you have time, this guy’s nightmare is quite telling on how AWESOMELY CALLOUS AND SOCIOPATHIC Bushco behaved.  And Obamaco…. looking for more humanity on this horror.  The primary Obama empathy is going to the CIA on this????&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_El-Masri&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_El-Masri&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One level is the felony and war crime of torture.</p>
<p>But we tortured about 85% INNOCENT people. Why is this not hard-balled during a Cheney interview?  Fox is incapable of thinking that through.  Has it ever made the media conversation ANYWHERE?  Is it addressed at all????? </p>
<p>Has anyone official, Dem or Repub, EVER expressed regret, official regret, over that?  They (Bushco) dropped one innocent guy tortured for over 6 months in the middle of the night in Albania after keeping him caged for 3 additional months after there was solid evidence he was innocent and it was mistaken identity and Tenet and Rice gave permission to release him but then incredible feet-dragging over the the best way to do it — the solution eventually was to DUMP HIM in the dark of night and he was sure it was a setup to kill him and then US arm twisted Germany (his country) not to kick up any outrage, our political arm twisting re intelligence or whatever.  He was picked up by the Albanians for being a terrorist because of his disheveled appearance to add tragic irony to his story. His wife thought he had left her and moved the family back to Lebanon. If you have time, this guy’s nightmare is quite telling on how AWESOMELY CALLOUS AND SOCIOPATHIC Bushco behaved.  And Obamaco…. looking for more humanity on this horror.  The primary Obama empathy is going to the CIA on this????</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_El-Masri" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_El-Masri</a></p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/31/mccain-owes-pelosi-an-apology/#comment-186193</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 00:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh lookee, Mr. Mistake By The Lake has wandered in.  What joy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh lookee, Mr. Mistake By The Lake has wandered in.  What joy.</p>
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		<title>By: tjbs</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/31/mccain-owes-pelosi-an-apology/#comment-186189</link>
		<dc:creator>tjbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;They may very well need to  be hung or even drawn and quartered but I refuse to answer violence with more state MURDER which is what this issue is about.&lt;br /&gt;
Now give them a full and fair trial just like Nuremburg where 20 or so sat in the dock to be judged at once.&lt;br /&gt;
If they are found guilty they must be striped of their worldly possessions and their citizenship which they won’t need in Abu Ghraib, Iraq where they can sleep among the tortured ghosts,life without the possibility of release ever. This cannot be cured with violence and  must not stand as an American standard for the world to emulate.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They may very well need to  be hung or even drawn and quartered but I refuse to answer violence with more state MURDER which is what this issue is about.<br />
Now give them a full and fair trial just like Nuremburg where 20 or so sat in the dock to be judged at once.<br />
If they are found guilty they must be striped of their worldly possessions and their citizenship which they won’t need in Abu Ghraib, Iraq where they can sleep among the tortured ghosts,life without the possibility of release ever. This cannot be cured with violence and  must not stand as an American standard for the world to emulate.</p>
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		<title>By: JThomason</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/31/mccain-owes-pelosi-an-apology/#comment-186182</link>
		<dc:creator>JThomason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It seems to me that this matter in the MSM even on FOX is a bit more red hot than we who noticed the limited scope of the Holder investigation last week might have realized.  I think it is significant that Chris Wallace asked Cheney whether policy makers and the lawyers who gave their imprimatur to torture would be targeted by Holder.  Despite how Cheney answered it certainly invites a constructive dialogue.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I know Cheney likes to get out in front of these narratives on his fourth branch power like he attempted to do by touting his insta-declassification authority in the interview about his successes bagging Texas lawyers.  But at some point this kind of tyrannical bravado just isn’t going to float especially when mixed with the misrepresentations that W kept the country safe for 8 years and that EIT yielded actionable intelligence.  Will the rest of the country notice that Dick and Liz Cheney seem to be the only high profile members of the former administration being ponied out to defend torture? Rove’s credibility is already shot not having made it through the second term. And by the way Liz Cheney was hard pressed to admit the torture went beyond just flashing a drill around which it obviously did. It makes it a bit too obvious where the root of the depravity lies.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that this matter in the MSM even on FOX is a bit more red hot than we who noticed the limited scope of the Holder investigation last week might have realized.  I think it is significant that Chris Wallace asked Cheney whether policy makers and the lawyers who gave their imprimatur to torture would be targeted by Holder.  Despite how Cheney answered it certainly invites a constructive dialogue.</p>
<p>I know Cheney likes to get out in front of these narratives on his fourth branch power like he attempted to do by touting his insta-declassification authority in the interview about his successes bagging Texas lawyers.  But at some point this kind of tyrannical bravado just isn’t going to float especially when mixed with the misrepresentations that W kept the country safe for 8 years and that EIT yielded actionable intelligence.  Will the rest of the country notice that Dick and Liz Cheney seem to be the only high profile members of the former administration being ponied out to defend torture? Rove’s credibility is already shot not having made it through the second term. And by the way Liz Cheney was hard pressed to admit the torture went beyond just flashing a drill around which it obviously did. It makes it a bit too obvious where the root of the depravity lies.</p>
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		<title>By: MrCleaveland</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/31/mccain-owes-pelosi-an-apology/#comment-186181</link>
		<dc:creator>MrCleaveland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Trust me, McCain will say the diametric opposite the second he feels it in his personal interest to do so. Don’t be suckered by a statement at one moment of time; he will turn his back on it in a flash.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And you don’t think that Democrats — for example, let’s just pull a name out of thin air: Teddy Kennedy — do the exact same thing? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Seriously?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Trust me, McCain will say the diametric opposite the second he feels it in his personal interest to do so. Don’t be suckered by a statement at one moment of time; he will turn his back on it in a flash.</p>
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<p>And you don’t think that Democrats — for example, let’s just pull a name out of thin air: Teddy Kennedy — do the exact same thing? </p>
<p>Seriously?</p>
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		<title>By: tjbs</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/31/mccain-owes-pelosi-an-apology/#comment-186178</link>
		<dc:creator>tjbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My newest poster 3′ X 4′ states:&lt;br /&gt;
The Nazis tortured (framing)&lt;br /&gt;
Torture is wrong&lt;br /&gt;
Child rape is wrong&lt;br /&gt;
Cutting a penis with a scalpel is wrong ( we did this sexual act)&lt;br /&gt;
Torture is Treason&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Generally very offensive so I was in front of my congressman’s office last Tuesday night and will be back.&lt;br /&gt;
Unless it’s in their face the public supports a “24″ episode rather than we questioned innocent fellow human beings to death and there was a need for tracheotomy kits in the interrogation room. Is this standard issue item in our police stations across America?&lt;br /&gt;
If not why the hell didn’t the higher ups in the chain of command raise a red flag ,with their hair on fire and their testicles being crushed type of reaction when tracheotomy kits were requested.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My newest poster 3′ X 4′ states:<br />
The Nazis tortured (framing)<br />
Torture is wrong<br />
Child rape is wrong<br />
Cutting a penis with a scalpel is wrong ( we did this sexual act)<br />
Torture is Treason</p>
<p>Generally very offensive so I was in front of my congressman’s office last Tuesday night and will be back.<br />
Unless it’s in their face the public supports a “24″ episode rather than we questioned innocent fellow human beings to death and there was a need for tracheotomy kits in the interrogation room. Is this standard issue item in our police stations across America?<br />
If not why the hell didn’t the higher ups in the chain of command raise a red flag ,with their hair on fire and their testicles being crushed type of reaction when tracheotomy kits were requested.</p>
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