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		<title>By: brantl</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/30/your-daily-wapo-torture-apology-debunking/#comment-186099</link>
		<dc:creator>brantl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just make him a pretty little stone one, in transplants, you should stay as close to the original as you can.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just make him a pretty little stone one, in transplants, you should stay as close to the original as you can.</p>
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		<title>By: Nell</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/30/your-daily-wapo-torture-apology-debunking/#comment-185999</link>
		<dc:creator>Nell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 03:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;To answer my own question: &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/jeremyscahill/status/3603985412&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/jeremyscahill/status/3611350752&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Andrew Pincus is a lawyer representing Blackwater in its appearance before Judge Ellis in the Eastern District of Virginia.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To answer my own question: <a href="http://twitter.com/jeremyscahill/status/3603985412" rel="nofollow">Here</a> and <a href="http://twitter.com/jeremyscahill/status/3611350752" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>Andrew Pincus is a lawyer representing Blackwater in its appearance before Judge Ellis in the Eastern District of Virginia.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/30/your-daily-wapo-torture-apology-debunking/#comment-185940</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 01:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Agreed.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: LabDancer</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/30/your-daily-wapo-torture-apology-debunking/#comment-185914</link>
		<dc:creator>LabDancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 23:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I really don’t think that the subsequent comments of either Mary or bmaz are inconsistent with the historical mind-set I suggest Holder would have in choosing terms like ‘preliminary investigation’ &amp; ‘review’. DOJ gets all manner of invitations to consider intervening, some called referrals, others recommendations or requests or queries. Moreover, adopting the concept at Holder’s level works so well &amp; conveniently in suiting not just his agenda but that of Obama, to say the least: for example, it’s at least a bit satisfying &amp; -who knows- may turn out helpful that Cheney’s firing off so much ordnance at what’s essentially an opaque impregnable box. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That said, it’s not my choice, nor would it be my preference. I’m more in favor of the dogged Waxmanian approach to public servants doing their duty.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don’t think that the subsequent comments of either Mary or bmaz are inconsistent with the historical mind-set I suggest Holder would have in choosing terms like ‘preliminary investigation’ &amp; ‘review’. DOJ gets all manner of invitations to consider intervening, some called referrals, others recommendations or requests or queries. Moreover, adopting the concept at Holder’s level works so well &amp; conveniently in suiting not just his agenda but that of Obama, to say the least: for example, it’s at least a bit satisfying &amp; -who knows- may turn out helpful that Cheney’s firing off so much ordnance at what’s essentially an opaque impregnable box. </p>
<p>That said, it’s not my choice, nor would it be my preference. I’m more in favor of the dogged Waxmanian approach to public servants doing their duty.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kaye</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/30/your-daily-wapo-torture-apology-debunking/#comment-185898</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Kaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 23:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Not OT, but very much to the point. Thanks for the link, and for drawing attention to this.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not OT, but very much to the point. Thanks for the link, and for drawing attention to this.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kaye</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/30/your-daily-wapo-torture-apology-debunking/#comment-185897</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Kaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 23:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;EW has surely made this point before, and is something to hope for. But I’m not sure now it will even get to that point. The lower-types (like Granger) did this at the Abu Ghraib trial, but it didn’t lead to anything.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EW has surely made this point before, and is something to hope for. But I’m not sure now it will even get to that point. The lower-types (like Granger) did this at the Abu Ghraib trial, but it didn’t lead to anything.</p>
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		<title>By: WTFOver</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/30/your-daily-wapo-torture-apology-debunking/#comment-185878</link>
		<dc:creator>WTFOver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 21:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;WaPo Cites Blackwater’s Krongard on Low CIA Morale &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/001606.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.perrspectives.com/b.....001606.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One day after Newt Gingrich, no friend of the CIA, called on Attorney General Eric Holder to resign over his plan to investigate the agency, former Vice President Dick Cheney pronounced he was “offended as hell” by the probe. Meanwhile, the Washington Post reported “Ex-Intelligence Officials Cite Low Spirits at CIA.” To make its case, the Post turned to one A.B. “Buzzy” Krongard. &lt;strong&gt;That would be the same Buzzy Krongard who until recently sat on the advisory board of Blackwater.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;But reading the Washington Post analysis of the CIA’s supposed morale problem, readers would never know the former number three man at the agency had close ties to Xe&lt;/strong&gt;, the mercenary firm previously known as Blackwater and secretly contracted by the Bush Administration for a now-cancelled program to carry out targeted assassinations of terrorists worldwide.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For its part, the Washington Post on Sunday included statements from John Helgerson, author of the recently released 2004 CIA Inspector General Report on detainee interrogation abuses. Helgerson, the Post noted, “said that the release, though painful, would ensure that the agency confronts difficult issues head on, instead of ignoring or trying to bury them.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Which is exactly what the Post itself did about Alvin “Buzzy” Krongard’s checkered past.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>WaPo Cites Blackwater’s Krongard on Low CIA Morale </strong></p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/001606.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.perrspectives.com/b&#8230;..001606.htm</a></strong></p>
<p>One day after Newt Gingrich, no friend of the CIA, called on Attorney General Eric Holder to resign over his plan to investigate the agency, former Vice President Dick Cheney pronounced he was “offended as hell” by the probe. Meanwhile, the Washington Post reported “Ex-Intelligence Officials Cite Low Spirits at CIA.” To make its case, the Post turned to one A.B. “Buzzy” Krongard. <strong>That would be the same Buzzy Krongard who until recently sat on the advisory board of Blackwater.</strong></p>
<p><strong>But reading the Washington Post analysis of the CIA’s supposed morale problem, readers would never know the former number three man at the agency had close ties to Xe</strong>, the mercenary firm previously known as Blackwater and secretly contracted by the Bush Administration for a now-cancelled program to carry out targeted assassinations of terrorists worldwide.</p>
<p>For its part, the Washington Post on Sunday included statements from John Helgerson, author of the recently released 2004 CIA Inspector General Report on detainee interrogation abuses. Helgerson, the Post noted, “said that the release, though painful, would ensure that the agency confronts difficult issues head on, instead of ignoring or trying to bury them.”</p>
<p><strong>Which is exactly what the Post itself did about Alvin “Buzzy” Krongard’s checkered past.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Nell</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/30/your-daily-wapo-torture-apology-debunking/#comment-185877</link>
		<dc:creator>Nell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 21:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OT but not by much:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve just spent much of the day reading and reflecting on &lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/books?id=GDl-bUb-4KIC&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;source=gbs_navlinks_s&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;The Facts Speak for Themselves&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, the preliminary report of Honduras’ Commissioner for the Protection of Human Rights, issued in 1994.  It examines the epidemic of “disappearances” that began with CIA-FBI training of 25 Honduran military intelligence officers in &lt;b&gt;August 1980&lt;/b&gt;, and continued with CIA assistance over the next decade, mostly but far from entirely in the next five years (during which U.S. military and “economic” aid to Honduras soared).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hundreds of men and women were spied on, followed, kidnaped, and tortured in the 1980s in Honduras. Most of those captured were murdered and buried in secret. The book is the result of the very first effort by the Honduran government, after years of fake “investigations”, impunity, and popular agitation, to undertake an honest investigation into these crimes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Anyone who believes the line CIA spinners have put out (through Jane Mayer and many lesser reporters) that the Bush II-era excursion into torture was the result of a “lack of expertise in interrogation” at the CIA needs to read this report.  What happenened to those torture- and death-squad-promoting members of the Directorate of Operations between 1993, when the Reagan-BushI era came to an end, and 2001?  Did they all develop amnesia or retire?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT but not by much:</p>
<p>I’ve just spent much of the day reading and reflecting on <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=GDl-bUb-4KIC&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;source=gbs_navlinks_s" rel="nofollow"><i>The Facts Speak for Themselves</i></a>, the preliminary report of Honduras’ Commissioner for the Protection of Human Rights, issued in 1994.  It examines the epidemic of “disappearances” that began with CIA-FBI training of 25 Honduran military intelligence officers in <b>August 1980</b>, and continued with CIA assistance over the next decade, mostly but far from entirely in the next five years (during which U.S. military and “economic” aid to Honduras soared).</p>
<p>Hundreds of men and women were spied on, followed, kidnaped, and tortured in the 1980s in Honduras. Most of those captured were murdered and buried in secret. The book is the result of the very first effort by the Honduran government, after years of fake “investigations”, impunity, and popular agitation, to undertake an honest investigation into these crimes.</p>
<p>Anyone who believes the line CIA spinners have put out (through Jane Mayer and many lesser reporters) that the Bush II-era excursion into torture was the result of a “lack of expertise in interrogation” at the CIA needs to read this report.  What happenened to those torture- and death-squad-promoting members of the Directorate of Operations between 1993, when the Reagan-BushI era came to an end, and 2001?  Did they all develop amnesia or retire?</p>
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		<title>By: WTFOver</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/30/your-daily-wapo-torture-apology-debunking/#comment-185876</link>
		<dc:creator>WTFOver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 21:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Shining light on CIA torturers &lt;em&gt;cum&lt;/em&gt; whiners&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This report by Walter Pincus and Joby Warrick is already generating criticism as yet another installment in the Washington Post’s repulsive effort to build public support for Dick Cheney’s defense of abusive interrogations. I think &lt;strong&gt;something more subtle is going on in today’s piece.&lt;/strong&gt; Pincus and Warrick are airing Cheney’s argument that the investigation of CIA abuses damage morale at the Agency, &lt;strong&gt;only to cut it down by showing repeatedly that any complaints at the CIA are limited to those few officials who took part in the abuse and now stand to be held accountable for it.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.unbossed.com/index.php?itemid=2739&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.unbossed.com/index.php?itemid=2739&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Shining light on CIA torturers <em>cum</em> whiners</strong></p>
<p>This report by Walter Pincus and Joby Warrick is already generating criticism as yet another installment in the Washington Post’s repulsive effort to build public support for Dick Cheney’s defense of abusive interrogations. I think <strong>something more subtle is going on in today’s piece.</strong> Pincus and Warrick are airing Cheney’s argument that the investigation of CIA abuses damage morale at the Agency, <strong>only to cut it down by showing repeatedly that any complaints at the CIA are limited to those few officials who took part in the abuse and now stand to be held accountable for it.</strong></p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.unbossed.com/index.php?itemid=2739" rel="nofollow">http://www.unbossed.com/index.php?itemid=2739</a></strong></p>
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		<title>By: WTFOver</title>
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		<dc:creator>WTFOver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 21:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The headline reads: Ex-Intelligence Officials Cite Low Spirits at CIA. &lt;strong&gt;Should we really care?  What has the CIA really done for us in the last 60 years?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.news-journalonline.com/ColEssays.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.news-journalonline.com/ColEssays.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The headline reads: Ex-Intelligence Officials Cite Low Spirits at CIA. <strong>Should we really care?  What has the CIA really done for us in the last 60 years?</strong></p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.news-journalonline.com/ColEssays.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.news-journalonline.com/ColEssays.htm</a></strong></p>
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