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		<title>By: SparklestheIguana</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/26/the-pundits-come-out-in-force/#comment-184915</link>
		<dc:creator>SparklestheIguana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 04:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Excellent, inspirational post, EW.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: WordBloom</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/26/the-pundits-come-out-in-force/#comment-184906</link>
		<dc:creator>WordBloom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 03:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Perhaps the most respectful and fitting tribute the non-pundits can offer to Kennedy’s life-long work is to continue and fight back, one voice at a time, against Right Wing Health-Care Reform lies, deceit and manipulation.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The misinformation coming from the Far Right has no-bounds or morality and it would be an absolute tragedy, to let something Kennedy spent a great deal of his life fighting towards, be crushed by hate and lies and corporate agendas.   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One small gesture of respect for Kennedy’s good fight, could be for individuals, each of us, to march right into any Conservative blog and pick apart their hateful rhetoric and challenge the misinformation they are being fed by the Talkers.  Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and Shawn Hannity have demonstrated the moral bankruptcy of the Right and have started a grass fire of hate that must be fought, even now, as we mourn the loss of our beloved Senator.  He was a champion of the people and now the people must continue his legacy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The lies of the Pundits are shamelessly wrapped in an American flag with a Cross on top and it should be an outrage to every citizen with an ounce of logic and compassion. They hate our president, they hate Health Care reform and they especially hate the Truth.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If the networks will not fight against misinformation and fear based objections, individuals must find the courage to confront it head on, at its source.  The truth will out.  The dream fights on… one tiny voice at a time.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Google “Conservative Blogs” and give them a dose of Truth, before it’s too late.  When they smell blood they circle.  Take the drums to the lying liars who would otherwise seize upon this and any opportunity to shamelessly distort the facts even further.  What Would Teddy Do?  He would politicize the hell out of this moment, in the name of helping the less fortunate and the suffering.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the most respectful and fitting tribute the non-pundits can offer to Kennedy’s life-long work is to continue and fight back, one voice at a time, against Right Wing Health-Care Reform lies, deceit and manipulation.  </p>
<p>The misinformation coming from the Far Right has no-bounds or morality and it would be an absolute tragedy, to let something Kennedy spent a great deal of his life fighting towards, be crushed by hate and lies and corporate agendas.   </p>
<p>One small gesture of respect for Kennedy’s good fight, could be for individuals, each of us, to march right into any Conservative blog and pick apart their hateful rhetoric and challenge the misinformation they are being fed by the Talkers.  Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and Shawn Hannity have demonstrated the moral bankruptcy of the Right and have started a grass fire of hate that must be fought, even now, as we mourn the loss of our beloved Senator.  He was a champion of the people and now the people must continue his legacy.</p>
<p>The lies of the Pundits are shamelessly wrapped in an American flag with a Cross on top and it should be an outrage to every citizen with an ounce of logic and compassion. They hate our president, they hate Health Care reform and they especially hate the Truth.  </p>
<p>If the networks will not fight against misinformation and fear based objections, individuals must find the courage to confront it head on, at its source.  The truth will out.  The dream fights on… one tiny voice at a time.  </p>
<p>Google “Conservative Blogs” and give them a dose of Truth, before it’s too late.  When they smell blood they circle.  Take the drums to the lying liars who would otherwise seize upon this and any opportunity to shamelessly distort the facts even further.  What Would Teddy Do?  He would politicize the hell out of this moment, in the name of helping the less fortunate and the suffering.</p>
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		<title>By: WordBloom</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/26/the-pundits-come-out-in-force/#comment-184901</link>
		<dc:creator>WordBloom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 02:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“I think a tidal wave is coming in Sept that will knock out the profit margin driven thugs.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh, how true that is.  And the great thing is, they have NO CLUE it’s coming.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I think a tidal wave is coming in Sept that will knock out the profit margin driven thugs.”</p>
<p>Oh, how true that is.  And the great thing is, they have NO CLUE it’s coming.</p>
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		<title>By: CTMET</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/26/the-pundits-come-out-in-force/#comment-184898</link>
		<dc:creator>CTMET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 02:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well when my wife first told me he died the first thing I thought was Oh Fuck where are we going to get the 60th vote assuming we need it. As soon as I went on line I skipped through all of the “tribute” material and found an article saying it was likely the MA gov might appoint someone like Dukakis to the position. I felt a little better. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Getting that 60th vote is the only thing that anyone on this planet can do anyting about right now, and its critical. I can read the tribute stuff later. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That said I can see how the pundits claiming to know what was going to happen (if I was listening to them) would annoy me too.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well when my wife first told me he died the first thing I thought was Oh Fuck where are we going to get the 60th vote assuming we need it. As soon as I went on line I skipped through all of the “tribute” material and found an article saying it was likely the MA gov might appoint someone like Dukakis to the position. I felt a little better. </p>
<p>Getting that 60th vote is the only thing that anyone on this planet can do anyting about right now, and its critical. I can read the tribute stuff later. </p>
<p>That said I can see how the pundits claiming to know what was going to happen (if I was listening to them) would annoy me too.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 01:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Chuck Todd and Norah O’Donnell set me off this morning.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck Todd and Norah O’Donnell set me off this morning.</p>
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		<title>By: PacificCoastRon</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/26/the-pundits-come-out-in-force/#comment-184886</link>
		<dc:creator>PacificCoastRon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 00:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t really care about the names of these so-called “pundits,” what I want is the name of their editors and producers and network decision-makers that allow cable news talk TV to be the cesspool that it is.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I can’t watch it, myself, it’s just physically sickening.  I do have to put up with it occasionally in the break room at work.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I feel like I’m beating a drum that no one wants to march to around here, yet again there needs to be an organization of millions of us that could take a response that could reach the producers and network executives that make that crap as bad as it is.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s possible we can’t change them, since we don’t have enough evidence to dis-prove the theory that they are purposely trying to make the nation stupider in the furtherance of some corporate plot, yet if they do have ethics and consciences we might have an effect.  They certainly have advertisers and the views of their advertisers will certainly have an effect on those network executives, and if there was an organization of millions of us ready to make phone calls to those advertisers — not necessarily even to boycott! I say, you can tell McDonald’s for example ‘yeah I need your breakfast meal on the way to work, but I hate you so much for sponsoring Fox/CNBC that I’m sure not gonna buy one extra thing, and I’m gonna take a huge bunch of napkins and sugar every day and I might even spit on your floor on the way out,’ — AND IF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WERE MAKING THOSE CALLS IT WOULD HAVE AN EFFECT. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The right wing is more science-based than the left wing in one crucial aspect: they understand the verifiable power created by effective political organization.  Those of us on the left seem to think we can blog away, in all our glorious subjectivity and individualism and never have to cohere on any one point, and never get together to create an organization THAT WILL FIGHT OUR CAUSES (even if we have to make it very clear that this is not a right-wing lockstep and belonging to the organization places no bars on your feelings and moods and your self-expression) and that yet, somehow, despite the pushback from organized conservatives, all our un-organized good wishes will make everything come out great.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t really care about the names of these so-called “pundits,” what I want is the name of their editors and producers and network decision-makers that allow cable news talk TV to be the cesspool that it is.  </p>
<p>I can’t watch it, myself, it’s just physically sickening.  I do have to put up with it occasionally in the break room at work.  </p>
<p>I feel like I’m beating a drum that no one wants to march to around here, yet again there needs to be an organization of millions of us that could take a response that could reach the producers and network executives that make that crap as bad as it is.  </p>
<p>It’s possible we can’t change them, since we don’t have enough evidence to dis-prove the theory that they are purposely trying to make the nation stupider in the furtherance of some corporate plot, yet if they do have ethics and consciences we might have an effect.  They certainly have advertisers and the views of their advertisers will certainly have an effect on those network executives, and if there was an organization of millions of us ready to make phone calls to those advertisers — not necessarily even to boycott! I say, you can tell McDonald’s for example ‘yeah I need your breakfast meal on the way to work, but I hate you so much for sponsoring Fox/CNBC that I’m sure not gonna buy one extra thing, and I’m gonna take a huge bunch of napkins and sugar every day and I might even spit on your floor on the way out,’ — AND IF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WERE MAKING THOSE CALLS IT WOULD HAVE AN EFFECT. </p>
<p>The right wing is more science-based than the left wing in one crucial aspect: they understand the verifiable power created by effective political organization.  Those of us on the left seem to think we can blog away, in all our glorious subjectivity and individualism and never have to cohere on any one point, and never get together to create an organization THAT WILL FIGHT OUR CAUSES (even if we have to make it very clear that this is not a right-wing lockstep and belonging to the organization places no bars on your feelings and moods and your self-expression) and that yet, somehow, despite the pushback from organized conservatives, all our un-organized good wishes will make everything come out great.</p>
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		<title>By: OccasionalObserver</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/26/the-pundits-come-out-in-force/#comment-184846</link>
		<dc:creator>OccasionalObserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 22:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Exactly. Grant the pundits foreknowledge and all our deliberations, however profound they may seem to us, are a vanity, a total waste of time. The only sane thing to do is sit back and “see how it shakes out,” see which pundit is right. And give that pundit the prize for prognostication.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The thinking is profoundly antidemocratic, and I take EW’s larger point to be this: When a giant dies, the offense of this logic is easier to see because the pundits look like the pygmies they really are even when anticipating nothing more than a small town’s reaction to the proverbial cat stuck in a tree. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In a democracy there is no predicting, least of all in pivotal moments such as ours. That’s the nature of the beast. To predict is as offensive as presuming to strike a bargain from one side of the table. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This we need to feel deeply, and if Ted Kennedy’s death helps us get there, it will have been that much less of a loss.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So thanks, Marcy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly. Grant the pundits foreknowledge and all our deliberations, however profound they may seem to us, are a vanity, a total waste of time. The only sane thing to do is sit back and “see how it shakes out,” see which pundit is right. And give that pundit the prize for prognostication.</p>
<p>The thinking is profoundly antidemocratic, and I take EW’s larger point to be this: When a giant dies, the offense of this logic is easier to see because the pundits look like the pygmies they really are even when anticipating nothing more than a small town’s reaction to the proverbial cat stuck in a tree. </p>
<p>In a democracy there is no predicting, least of all in pivotal moments such as ours. That’s the nature of the beast. To predict is as offensive as presuming to strike a bargain from one side of the table. </p>
<p>This we need to feel deeply, and if Ted Kennedy’s death helps us get there, it will have been that much less of a loss.</p>
<p>So thanks, Marcy.</p>
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		<title>By: BMcGarth</title>
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		<dc:creator>BMcGarth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 22:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Which pundits Emptywheel ? Help those of us who don’t devote much time to the tele with a”better picture”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which pundits Emptywheel ? Help those of us who don’t devote much time to the tele with a”better picture”.</p>
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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/26/the-pundits-come-out-in-force/#comment-184805</link>
		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Outstanding post, EW.  Thank you.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;From The Guardian, a 2008 video (5 min) of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2008/feb/05/democrat.bill.clinton&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Clinton-Obama primary in New Mexico&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
Noteworthy for Ted Kennedy’s remarks on health care, and Bill Clinton’s emphasis on revitalizing diplomacy in US government.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From The Guardian, a 2008 video (5 min) of the <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2008/feb/05/democrat.bill.clinton" rel="nofollow">Clinton-Obama primary in New Mexico</a>.<br />
Noteworthy for Ted Kennedy’s remarks on health care, and Bill Clinton’s emphasis on revitalizing diplomacy in US government.</p>
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