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		<title>By: timbo</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/26/nyt-false-banality-is-not-evil/#comment-185085</link>
		<dc:creator>timbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Again, why do the reports at the NYT always, consistently fail to read the federal laws and treaties to which the United States is signatory that proscribe torture and inhuman treatment?  I’d call it willful ignorance at best and adherence to a totalitarian bent in the publishers of the New York Times in fact.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, why do the reports at the NYT always, consistently fail to read the federal laws and treaties to which the United States is signatory that proscribe torture and inhuman treatment?  I’d call it willful ignorance at best and adherence to a totalitarian bent in the publishers of the New York Times in fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Bison</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/26/nyt-false-banality-is-not-evil/#comment-185072</link>
		<dc:creator>Bison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ironically, I mostly work with meatless products. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ironically, I mostly work with meatless products. </p>
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		<title>By: Boston1775</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/26/nyt-false-banality-is-not-evil/#comment-185062</link>
		<dc:creator>Boston1775</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well judging by your name you seem like a grassfed meat kinda science person:)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well judging by your name you seem like a grassfed meat kinda science person:)</p>
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		<title>By: Bison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My degree is in neurobiology, but I work primarily in food science/nutrition now.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My degree is in neurobiology, but I work primarily in food science/nutrition now.</p>
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		<title>By: Boston1775</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/26/nyt-false-banality-is-not-evil/#comment-185053</link>
		<dc:creator>Boston1775</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m a scientist who deals with people who have been misinformed by the crap that the Weston A. Price Foundation pumps out on a semi-regular basis…&lt;br /&gt;
judged on their scientific merits, most of their claims are extremely weak, particularly as applied to processed meat analogues&lt;br /&gt;
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What type of science brings you into contact with people who have been reading Weston Price information?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m a scientist who deals with people who have been misinformed by the crap that the Weston A. Price Foundation pumps out on a semi-regular basis…<br />
judged on their scientific merits, most of their claims are extremely weak, particularly as applied to processed meat analogues<br />
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What type of science brings you into contact with people who have been reading Weston Price information?</p>
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		<title>By: libbyliberal</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/26/nyt-false-banality-is-not-evil/#comment-185034</link>
		<dc:creator>libbyliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;They are swimming in an industrial strength kool-aid.  And there is this team cronyism of both parties, but then there is a cronyism with the lobbyists and the corporate class, “incestuous cronyism” Dday at Digby’s blog once wrote.  And even with thier “civility” now about Ted Kennedy… the affinity of civility… and goodwill and style of the civilized though an amorality rather than substance in communication. And the press is  a faux teacher, a dark hypnotizer and source of disinformation or at best skewed values and priorities.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are swimming in an industrial strength kool-aid.  And there is this team cronyism of both parties, but then there is a cronyism with the lobbyists and the corporate class, “incestuous cronyism” Dday at Digby’s blog once wrote.  And even with thier “civility” now about Ted Kennedy… the affinity of civility… and goodwill and style of the civilized though an amorality rather than substance in communication. And the press is  a faux teacher, a dark hypnotizer and source of disinformation or at best skewed values and priorities.</p>
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		<title>By: libbyliberal</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/26/nyt-false-banality-is-not-evil/#comment-185032</link>
		<dc:creator>libbyliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Scott Peck says “a follower is never a whole person.”  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I appreciate what you said.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott Peck says “a follower is never a whole person.”  </p>
<p>I appreciate what you said.</p>
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		<title>By: libbyliberal</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/26/nyt-false-banality-is-not-evil/#comment-185031</link>
		<dc:creator>libbyliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So agree.  The eternal vigilance that Jefferson warned was needed.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So agree.  The eternal vigilance that Jefferson warned was needed.</p>
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		<title>By: Bison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“If you look at the science on the site, you’ll see the strength of their arguments.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ugh.  I’m a scientist who deals with people who have been misinformed by the crap that the Weston A. Price Foundation pumps out on a semi-regular basis.  This obviously isn’t the place for a point-by-point rebuttal, but let me just say that, judged on their scientific merits, most of their claims are extremely weak, particularly as applied to processed meat analogues.  Like many misinformation campaigns (c.f. creationists, global warming deniers, etc.) the Weston Price people throw out a slew of claims in the hopes that any one of them will stick.  Most people aren’t willing or able to get down in the weeds and do the work to discover that these claims are for the most part bogus.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“If you look at the science on the site, you’ll see the strength of their arguments.”</p>
<p>Ugh.  I’m a scientist who deals with people who have been misinformed by the crap that the Weston A. Price Foundation pumps out on a semi-regular basis.  This obviously isn’t the place for a point-by-point rebuttal, but let me just say that, judged on their scientific merits, most of their claims are extremely weak, particularly as applied to processed meat analogues.  Like many misinformation campaigns (c.f. creationists, global warming deniers, etc.) the Weston Price people throw out a slew of claims in the hopes that any one of them will stick.  Most people aren’t willing or able to get down in the weeds and do the work to discover that these claims are for the most part bogus.</p>
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		<title>By: Boston1775</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/26/nyt-false-banality-is-not-evil/#comment-184946</link>
		<dc:creator>Boston1775</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If you look at the science on the site, you’ll see the strength of their arguments.&lt;br /&gt;
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For a list of 288 studies showing the toxicity of soy:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~djw/pltx.cgi?QUERY=soy&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~djw/pltx.cgi?QUERY=soy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
———————————————–&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It has been argued that high levels of soy isoflavones such as genistein, daidzein and genistin in Asian diets protect the inhabitants of Japan and China from certain degenerative diseases, especially breast and prostate cancer. Actually, consumption of soy in traditional Asian diets is low. A 1975 report lists soyfoods as minor sources of protein in Japan and China.1 Major sources of protein listed were meat including organ meats, poultry, fish and eggs. Average isoflavone consumption in Asian diets ranges from 3-28 mg/day, as shown in the table below.&lt;br /&gt;
Studies indicate that isoflavone consumption at levels slightly exceeding those found in tradition diets results in thyroid suppression and endocrine disruption. The AdvantaSoyTMClearTM supplement would add 30-50 mg of isoflavones to a 100-gram serving of various common western foods, levels that exceed the amounts found in traditional diets and that are in the range of levels shown to cause problems, especially for sensitive individuals. Note that this level is also greater than the amount provided by 25 mg soy protein isolate, the amount determined by the FDA to warrant a health claim. It is not only possible but likely that many individuals will consume two or more servings of foods to which the Cargill isoflavones have been added, especially as these foods will be promoted with much advertising touting their health benefits. Two or more servings of such foods would provide 60-100 mg isoflavones per day, an amount that provides the estrogen equivalent of the contraceptive pill2 and one that clearly poses dangers after only a brief period of daily intake.&lt;br /&gt;
Isoflavones&lt;br /&gt;
China (1990 survey)3 	3 mg/day&lt;br /&gt;
Japan (1996 survey)4 	10 mg/day&lt;br /&gt;
Japan (1998 survey)5 	25 mg/day&lt;br /&gt;
Japan (2000 survey)6 	28 mg/day&lt;br /&gt;
In Japanese subjects receiving adequate iodine, causing thyroid suppression after 3months7 	35 mg/day&lt;br /&gt;
In American women, causing hormonal changes after 1 month8 	45 mg/day&lt;br /&gt;
In American women, causing changes presaging breast cancer after 14 days9 	45 mg/day&lt;br /&gt;
FDA recommended amount10 	24 mg/day&lt;br /&gt;
AdvantaSoyTMClearTM 	30-50 mg/ 100 g serving&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://westonaprice.org/soy/dangersisoflavones.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://westonaprice.org/soy/da.....vones.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;—————————————————&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; Confused About Soy?–Soy Dangers Summarized&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    * High levels of phytic acid in soy reduce assimilation of calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and zinc. Phytic acid in soy is not neutralized by ordinary preparation methods such as soaking, sprouting and long, slow cooking. High phytate diets have caused growth problems in children.&lt;br /&gt;
    * Trypsin inhibitors in soy interfere with protein digestion and may cause pancreatic disorders. In test animals soy containing trypsin inhibitors caused stunted growth.&lt;br /&gt;
    * Soy phytoestrogens disrupt endocrine function and have the potential to cause infertility and to promote breast cancer in adult women.&lt;br /&gt;
    * Soy phytoestrogens are potent antithyroid agents that cause hypothyroidism and may cause thyroid cancer. In infants, consumption of soy formula has been linked to autoimmune thyroid disease.&lt;br /&gt;
    * Vitamin B12 analogs in soy are not absorbed and actually increase the body’s requirement for B12.&lt;br /&gt;
    * Soy foods increase the body’s requirement for vitamin D.&lt;br /&gt;
    * Fragile proteins are denatured during high temperature processing to make soy protein isolate and textured vegetable protein.&lt;br /&gt;
    * Processing of soy protein results in the formation of toxic lysinoalanine and highly carcinogenic nitrosamines.&lt;br /&gt;
    * Free glutamic acid or MSG, a potent neurotoxin, is formed during soy food processing and additional amounts are added to many soy foods.&lt;br /&gt;
    * Soy foods contain high levels of aluminum which is toxic to the nervous system and the kidneys.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you look at the science on the site, you’ll see the strength of their arguments.<br />
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For a list of 288 studies showing the toxicity of soy:<br /><a href="http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~djw/pltx.cgi?QUERY=soy" rel="nofollow">http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~djw/pltx.cgi?QUERY=soy</a><br />
———————————————–</p>
<p>It has been argued that high levels of soy isoflavones such as genistein, daidzein and genistin in Asian diets protect the inhabitants of Japan and China from certain degenerative diseases, especially breast and prostate cancer. Actually, consumption of soy in traditional Asian diets is low. A 1975 report lists soyfoods as minor sources of protein in Japan and China.1 Major sources of protein listed were meat including organ meats, poultry, fish and eggs. Average isoflavone consumption in Asian diets ranges from 3-28 mg/day, as shown in the table below.<br />
Studies indicate that isoflavone consumption at levels slightly exceeding those found in tradition diets results in thyroid suppression and endocrine disruption. The AdvantaSoyTMClearTM supplement would add 30-50 mg of isoflavones to a 100-gram serving of various common western foods, levels that exceed the amounts found in traditional diets and that are in the range of levels shown to cause problems, especially for sensitive individuals. Note that this level is also greater than the amount provided by 25 mg soy protein isolate, the amount determined by the FDA to warrant a health claim. It is not only possible but likely that many individuals will consume two or more servings of foods to which the Cargill isoflavones have been added, especially as these foods will be promoted with much advertising touting their health benefits. Two or more servings of such foods would provide 60-100 mg isoflavones per day, an amount that provides the estrogen equivalent of the contraceptive pill2 and one that clearly poses dangers after only a brief period of daily intake.<br />
Isoflavones<br />
China (1990 survey)3 	3 mg/day<br />
Japan (1996 survey)4 	10 mg/day<br />
Japan (1998 survey)5 	25 mg/day<br />
Japan (2000 survey)6 	28 mg/day<br />
In Japanese subjects receiving adequate iodine, causing thyroid suppression after 3months7 	35 mg/day<br />
In American women, causing hormonal changes after 1 month8 	45 mg/day<br />
In American women, causing changes presaging breast cancer after 14 days9 	45 mg/day<br />
FDA recommended amount10 	24 mg/day<br />
AdvantaSoyTMClearTM 	30-50 mg/ 100 g serving</p>
<p><a href="http://westonaprice.org/soy/dangersisoflavones.html" rel="nofollow">http://westonaprice.org/soy/da&#8230;..vones.html</a></p>
<p>—————————————————</p>
<p> Confused About Soy?–Soy Dangers Summarized</p>
<p>    * High levels of phytic acid in soy reduce assimilation of calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and zinc. Phytic acid in soy is not neutralized by ordinary preparation methods such as soaking, sprouting and long, slow cooking. High phytate diets have caused growth problems in children.<br />
    * Trypsin inhibitors in soy interfere with protein digestion and may cause pancreatic disorders. In test animals soy containing trypsin inhibitors caused stunted growth.<br />
    * Soy phytoestrogens disrupt endocrine function and have the potential to cause infertility and to promote breast cancer in adult women.<br />
    * Soy phytoestrogens are potent antithyroid agents that cause hypothyroidism and may cause thyroid cancer. In infants, consumption of soy formula has been linked to autoimmune thyroid disease.<br />
    * Vitamin B12 analogs in soy are not absorbed and actually increase the body’s requirement for B12.<br />
    * Soy foods increase the body’s requirement for vitamin D.<br />
    * Fragile proteins are denatured during high temperature processing to make soy protein isolate and textured vegetable protein.<br />
    * Processing of soy protein results in the formation of toxic lysinoalanine and highly carcinogenic nitrosamines.<br />
    * Free glutamic acid or MSG, a potent neurotoxin, is formed during soy food processing and additional amounts are added to many soy foods.<br />
    * Soy foods contain high levels of aluminum which is toxic to the nervous system and the kidneys.</p>
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