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		<title>By: Gitcheegumee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gitcheegumee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@47 &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Re: Dulles Brothers(and a few others whose names are again in the news)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.carlylegroup.net&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.carlylegroup.net&lt;/a&gt; /&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Historically speaking, we go back to 1947, we look at Clark Clifford, who wrote the National Security Act, in 1947. He was a Wall Street banker, and a lawyer from Wall Street. He was the chairman of First American Bancshares that brought BCCI onto US shores in the late 1980s. &lt;strong&gt;He was given the design for the CIA by John Foster and Allen Dulles, two brothers: John Foster becoming Secretary of State, Allen becoming director of Central Intelligence, who was fired by John Kennedy. They were partners in what is until this day the most powerful law firm on Wall Street: Sullivan Cromwell.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; Bill Casey, the legendary CIA director from the Reagan/Iran Contra years, had been chairman of the Securities and Exchange commission under Ronald Reagan. He, in fact, was a Wall Street lawyer and a stockbroker. I’ve already mentioned Dave Doherty, the Vice President of NYSE who is the retired CIA general counsel. George Herbert Walker Bush is now a paid consultant to the Carlyle Group, the 11th largest defense contractor in the nation, very influential on Wall Street. “Buzzy” Krongard is there. John Deutsch, the former CIA director, who retired a couple of years ago, a few years ago, is now on the board of Citibanc or Citigroup. And his number three, Nora Slatkin, the Executive Director at CIA is also at Citigroup. And Maurice “Hank” Greenburg, who was the chairman of AIG insurance, which is the third largest investment pool of capital in the world, was up to be the CIA director in 1995 and Bill Clinton declined to nominate him. So there is an inextricable and unavoidable relationship between CIA and Wall Street.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~leveymg&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@47 </p>
<p>Re: Dulles Brothers(and a few others whose names are again in the news)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.carlylegroup.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.carlylegroup.net</a> /</p>
<p>Historically speaking, we go back to 1947, we look at Clark Clifford, who wrote the National Security Act, in 1947. He was a Wall Street banker, and a lawyer from Wall Street. He was the chairman of First American Bancshares that brought BCCI onto US shores in the late 1980s. <strong>He was given the design for the CIA by John Foster and Allen Dulles, two brothers: John Foster becoming Secretary of State, Allen becoming director of Central Intelligence, who was fired by John Kennedy. They were partners in what is until this day the most powerful law firm on Wall Street: Sullivan Cromwell.</strong></p>
<p> Bill Casey, the legendary CIA director from the Reagan/Iran Contra years, had been chairman of the Securities and Exchange commission under Ronald Reagan. He, in fact, was a Wall Street lawyer and a stockbroker. I’ve already mentioned Dave Doherty, the Vice President of NYSE who is the retired CIA general counsel. George Herbert Walker Bush is now a paid consultant to the Carlyle Group, the 11th largest defense contractor in the nation, very influential on Wall Street. “Buzzy” Krongard is there. John Deutsch, the former CIA director, who retired a couple of years ago, a few years ago, is now on the board of Citibanc or Citigroup. And his number three, Nora Slatkin, the Executive Director at CIA is also at Citigroup. And Maurice “Hank” Greenburg, who was the chairman of AIG insurance, which is the third largest investment pool of capital in the world, was up to be the CIA director in 1995 and Bill Clinton declined to nominate him. So there is an inextricable and unavoidable relationship between CIA and Wall Street.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~leveymg</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The CIA lacked clear safeguards to prevent abuses
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&lt;p&gt;Given how many times Yoo/Bybee reviewed the protocols…the details they went into…and the insistence by CI officials that they get approval….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yeah…the lack of safeguards was not an oversight…it was “a feature…not a bug”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The CIA lacked clear safeguards to prevent abuses
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<p>Given how many times Yoo/Bybee reviewed the protocols…the details they went into…and the insistence by CI officials that they get approval….</p>
<p>Yeah…the lack of safeguards was not an oversight…it was “a feature…not a bug”.</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 03:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;  JasonLeopold @ 66  (show text)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    …inadequate training and oversight,…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How much you wanna bet that was a design feature and not a mistake?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI–&gt;AZ&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>  JasonLeopold @ 66  (show text)</p>
<p>    …inadequate training and oversight,…</p>
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<p>How much you wanna bet that was a design feature and not a mistake?</p>
<p>Bob in HI–&gt;AZ</p>
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		<title>By: acquarius74</title>
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		<dc:creator>acquarius74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 02:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;inadequate training and oversight,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The oldest and lamest excuse ever used, scapegoat always the lowest person in the pecking order.  Who could have imagined? (/s)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>inadequate training and oversight,</p>
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<p>The oldest and lamest excuse ever used, scapegoat always the lowest person in the pecking order.  Who could have imagined? (/s)</p>
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		<title>By: JasonLeopold</title>
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		<dc:creator>JasonLeopold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 01:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;if anyone is still reading this thread, and you haven’t seen the latest story on the IG report, here is the&lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125106962752152369.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; WSJ’s version&lt;/a&gt; that just came out. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The CIA lacked clear safeguards to prevent abuses in some instances in its network of secret prisons for terror suspects, and some interrogators early on had inadequate training and oversight, a long-withheld 2004 report found, according to current and former officials who have read the document.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if anyone is still reading this thread, and you haven’t seen the latest story on the IG report, here is the<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125106962752152369.html" rel="nofollow"> WSJ’s version</a> that just came out. </p>
<blockquote><p>The CIA lacked clear safeguards to prevent abuses in some instances in its network of secret prisons for terror suspects, and some interrogators early on had inadequate training and oversight, a long-withheld 2004 report found, according to current and former officials who have read the document.</p>
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		<title>By: Gitcheegumee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gitcheegumee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 01:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;FYI:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Siun ,over at FDL, has just put a thread up about Ramadan and the escalating violence in Iraq.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI:</p>
<p>Siun ,over at FDL, has just put a thread up about Ramadan and the escalating violence in Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: Gitcheegumee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gitcheegumee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 00:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Al, your sense of decency and fair play elevates all of us here who have the opportunity to interact with you .&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thank you for your kind words.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al, your sense of decency and fair play elevates all of us here who have the opportunity to interact with you .</p>
<p>Thank you for your kind words.</p>
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		<title>By: acquarius74</title>
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		<dc:creator>acquarius74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 00:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks, Bob.  Per Juan Cole there seems to be a multitude of theories about what is behind the heat-up.  I had gone to &lt;a href=&quot;http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/08/200981981926646435.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Aljazeera&lt;/a&gt; earlier and found a spokesman who did indeed voice the theory I mentioned earlier, so it’s not some cock-a-mamie idea that I dreamed up:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Saad Muttalibi, an adviser to Iraq’s ministry of national dialogue and reconciliation, said: “This is the continuation of the evil plans of people who cannot see a stable, free Iraq and people with the intention of keeping American forces in Iraq after the agreement that was signed for the Americans to leave.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“I think that this escalation of violence in Iraq is totally unacceptable as it is affecting the ordinary citizens,” he told Al Jazeera.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Bob.  Per Juan Cole there seems to be a multitude of theories about what is behind the heat-up.  I had gone to <a href="http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/08/200981981926646435.html" rel="nofollow">Aljazeera</a> earlier and found a spokesman who did indeed voice the theory I mentioned earlier, so it’s not some cock-a-mamie idea that I dreamed up:</p>
<blockquote><p>Saad Muttalibi, an adviser to Iraq’s ministry of national dialogue and reconciliation, said: “This is the continuation of the evil plans of people who cannot see a stable, free Iraq and people with the intention of keeping American forces in Iraq after the agreement that was signed for the Americans to leave.</p>
<p>“I think that this escalation of violence in Iraq is totally unacceptable as it is affecting the ordinary citizens,” he told Al Jazeera.</p>
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		<title>By: alinaustex</title>
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		<dc:creator>alinaustex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 00:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;gitcheegumee @49&lt;br /&gt;
Thank you for asking some question I have been thinking about too - that is - will  Team Obama  use the torture investigation as another teachable moment to the rest of the world -that maybe we are trying for Atonement -and  the worldwide celebration of Ramamdan would be coincidentally a  good context to go after the perpetrators ( Obama set out resetting our global image in his Cairo speech )  . Gitcheegumee ,like you , I have not concluded the current administration will do  little or nothing about the  previous corrupt chain of command -both civilain ,military , private and OGA’s -that made our nation commit war crimes . And regarding bmaz ’s ad hominen outbursts and  petulance -  I am beginning to see it as a mild irritant and nothing else -and for an officer of the court - you are right bmaz can be over the top .&lt;br /&gt;
  It ain’t over til its over and.. my money is still on Attorney General Holder making us proud regarding the war criminals -including  former senior leadership being prosecuted and punished … patience is a virtue .&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gitcheegumee @49<br />
Thank you for asking some question I have been thinking about too &#8211; that is &#8211; will  Team Obama  use the torture investigation as another teachable moment to the rest of the world -that maybe we are trying for Atonement -and  the worldwide celebration of Ramamdan would be coincidentally a  good context to go after the perpetrators ( Obama set out resetting our global image in his Cairo speech )  . Gitcheegumee ,like you , I have not concluded the current administration will do  little or nothing about the  previous corrupt chain of command -both civilain ,military , private and OGA’s -that made our nation commit war crimes . And regarding bmaz ’s ad hominen outbursts and  petulance &#8211;  I am beginning to see it as a mild irritant and nothing else -and for an officer of the court &#8211; you are right bmaz can be over the top .<br />
  It ain’t over til its over and.. my money is still on Attorney General Holder making us proud regarding the war criminals -including  former senior leadership being prosecuted and punished … patience is a virtue .</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 23:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Are there any true journalists left in Iraq who could tell us what is really behind these recent violent events? Is it really the sects warring against each other, or are they being orchestrated by those who are determined that the US stay in Iraq?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You are evidently not familiar with &lt;a href=&quot;http://gorillasguides.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gorilla’s Guides&lt;/a&gt;, and&lt;br /&gt;
Juan Cole’s  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.juancole.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Informed Comment: Thoughts on the Middle East, History, and Religion&lt;/a&gt;. Cole reads Arabic, and is tuned in to the best reports from the field.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in &lt;strike&gt;HI&lt;/strike&gt;AZ&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Are there any true journalists left in Iraq who could tell us what is really behind these recent violent events? Is it really the sects warring against each other, or are they being orchestrated by those who are determined that the US stay in Iraq?</p>
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<p>You are evidently not familiar with <a href="http://gorillasguides.com/" rel="nofollow">Gorilla’s Guides</a>, and<br />
Juan Cole’s  <a href="http://www.juancole.com/" rel="nofollow">Informed Comment: Thoughts on the Middle East, History, and Religion</a>. Cole reads Arabic, and is tuned in to the best reports from the field.</p>
<p>Bob in <strike>HI</strike>AZ</p>
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