Comments on: The Secrets Novak Brings to the Grave http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/19/the-secrets-novak-brings-to-the-grave/ Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:48:32 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Leen http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/19/the-secrets-novak-brings-to-the-grave/#comment-182356 Leen Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:59:48 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/19/the-secrets-novak-brings-to-the-grave/#comment-182356 <p>Listen to Dostom he sounds like he is threatening</p> <p>Had no idea that the Bush administration blocked investigations into Dostums war crimes three times</p> <p> GEN. ABDUL RASHID DOSTUM: [translated] We are hopeful. We are determined. Playing with General Dostum is playing with a million human beings. Playing with General Dostum is playing with a storm. Playing with General Dostum will be tough and will create anger. God willing, we will establish a party in Afghanistan which will be bigger and stronger within six years, and this party will be able to respond to your demands. And this is what you and your martyrs deserve.</p> <p>SHARIF ABDEL KOUDDOUS: Dostum’s return to prominence in Afghanistan comes despite his role overseeing a 2001 massacre at Dasht-e-Leili that left at least 2,000 Taliban POWs dead. He’s also had extensive ties with the US and was formerly on the CIA payroll.</p> <p>Last month, New York Times reporter James Risen revealed the Bush administration blocked at least three federal investigations into the alleged war crimes committed by Dostum. Risen spoke about his findings on Democracy Now!</p> <p> JAMES RISEN: The evidence was overwhelming that something had happened and that it was the responsibility of the Bush administration to look into this or at least to push for an international investigation, because Dostum had been on the CIA payroll, was part of a US-backed alliance that was taking over Afghanistan. And what I found was, time after time, in different agencies and as far—and in the White House, Bush administration officials repeatedly ignored evidence or just decided or discouraged efforts to open investigations into the massacre.</p> Listen to Dostom he sounds like he is threatening

Had no idea that the Bush administration blocked investigations into Dostums war crimes three times

GEN. ABDUL RASHID DOSTUM: [translated] We are hopeful. We are determined. Playing with General Dostum is playing with a million human beings. Playing with General Dostum is playing with a storm. Playing with General Dostum will be tough and will create anger. God willing, we will establish a party in Afghanistan which will be bigger and stronger within six years, and this party will be able to respond to your demands. And this is what you and your martyrs deserve.

SHARIF ABDEL KOUDDOUS: Dostum’s return to prominence in Afghanistan comes despite his role overseeing a 2001 massacre at Dasht-e-Leili that left at least 2,000 Taliban POWs dead. He’s also had extensive ties with the US and was formerly on the CIA payroll.

Last month, New York Times reporter James Risen revealed the Bush administration blocked at least three federal investigations into the alleged war crimes committed by Dostum. Risen spoke about his findings on Democracy Now!

JAMES RISEN: The evidence was overwhelming that something had happened and that it was the responsibility of the Bush administration to look into this or at least to push for an international investigation, because Dostum had been on the CIA payroll, was part of a US-backed alliance that was taking over Afghanistan. And what I found was, time after time, in different agencies and as far—and in the White House, Bush administration officials repeatedly ignored evidence or just decided or discouraged efforts to open investigations into the massacre.

]]> By: Leen http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/19/the-secrets-novak-brings-to-the-grave/#comment-182353 Leen Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:50:39 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/19/the-secrets-novak-brings-to-the-grave/#comment-182353 <p>Folks might want to listen to Dianes interview with Novak. He sure tried to spin LIbby as an innocent bystander</p> Folks might want to listen to Dianes interview with Novak. He sure tried to spin LIbby as an innocent bystander

]]> By: Leen http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/19/the-secrets-novak-brings-to-the-grave/#comment-182352 Leen Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:49:31 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/19/the-secrets-novak-brings-to-the-grave/#comment-182352 <p>amy Goodman did a segment on Dostrum reappearing yesterday.</p> <p>Hope this killer does not have any plans for transporting voters on Convoys</p> <p>Eight Years After Orchestrating Massacre at Dasht-e-Leili, Afghan Warlord Abdul Rashid Dostum Returns to Afghanistan to Campaign for Karzai</p> <p><a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2009/8/18/eight_years_after_orchestrating_massacre_at" rel="nofollow">http://www.democracynow.org/20.....assacre_at</a></p> amy Goodman did a segment on Dostrum reappearing yesterday.

Hope this killer does not have any plans for transporting voters on Convoys

Eight Years After Orchestrating Massacre at Dasht-e-Leili, Afghan Warlord Abdul Rashid Dostum Returns to Afghanistan to Campaign for Karzai

http://www.democracynow.org/20…..assacre_at

]]> By: Tinroof http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/19/the-secrets-novak-brings-to-the-grave/#comment-182344 Tinroof Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:00:18 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/19/the-secrets-novak-brings-to-the-grave/#comment-182344 <p>Mr Cleaveland,<br /> You appear to be unaware that you have wandered into the home blog of the planet’s premier expert on the Plame story, the players involved, and all the public sources of information available on it. Our Marcy (yes, I’m claiming you, dear, you’ve been too large a part of my sanity for far too long) and her intrepid corps of most thoroughly, completely, and meticulously informed readers and cowriters have spent entirely too much time, money, and energy to tie all this together into a single, solid, professional, prosecutor-with-balls-ready history to let any uninformed twit who wants to tweak some liberals pretend to be credible. You might also have missed the part about Marcy being the chief national live-blogger of every single of the Libby trial, where she put on a display of journalism that shamed every major media outlet in the country.<br /> If you want to argue with this bunch, son, you gotta actually know something.</p> Mr Cleaveland,
You appear to be unaware that you have wandered into the home blog of the planet’s premier expert on the Plame story, the players involved, and all the public sources of information available on it. Our Marcy (yes, I’m claiming you, dear, you’ve been too large a part of my sanity for far too long) and her intrepid corps of most thoroughly, completely, and meticulously informed readers and cowriters have spent entirely too much time, money, and energy to tie all this together into a single, solid, professional, prosecutor-with-balls-ready history to let any uninformed twit who wants to tweak some liberals pretend to be credible. You might also have missed the part about Marcy being the chief national live-blogger of every single of the Libby trial, where she put on a display of journalism that shamed every major media outlet in the country.
If you want to argue with this bunch, son, you gotta actually know something.

]]> By: cinnamonape http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/19/the-secrets-novak-brings-to-the-grave/#comment-182327 cinnamonape Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:24:51 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/19/the-secrets-novak-brings-to-the-grave/#comment-182327 <p>Plame went abroad over seven times under a false cover within four years of Novak’s public leak of her name and that of Brewster-Jennings. </p> <p>Even assuming BJ had been exposed by Grossman to the Turks</p> <p>-a fact that is still open to investigation, there are still reasons to believe that Plame would still be covert</p> <p>a) if the operation had been “rolled up” to prevent the identification of those involved in it then it’s possible that Plame wasn’t compromised. It all depends on what Grossman revealed.</p> <p>b) the Turks (NATO allies) may have been unhappy about US espionage on their territory, but unlikely to give the information to China, Pakistan, Irak or the Russians.</p> <p>c) Plame may have been reassigned, but that doesn’t mean that she wasn’t still under cover. She may have travelled abroad under a new Agency cover, or under assumed names. This is supported by the affidavit provide in the Libby trial regarding Plame’s work history and travel abroad.</p> <p>None of this justifies leaking by Armitage (who did it twice, but may have been the least likely to think she was covert), Libby, Rove and Cheney (all of whom were part of a more coordinated effort to subvert Joe Wilson’s credibility). It should be pointed out that the document that all of them had viewed about Wilson’s briefing were heavily marked as “Classified” and “Secret”. </p> <p>Cheney may have had the power to Classify, and declassify documents that he had classified himself. But these were not insta-declassifiable by anyone than the “original classification authority” or the President.</p> Plame went abroad over seven times under a false cover within four years of Novak’s public leak of her name and that of Brewster-Jennings.

Even assuming BJ had been exposed by Grossman to the Turks

-a fact that is still open to investigation, there are still reasons to believe that Plame would still be covert

a) if the operation had been “rolled up” to prevent the identification of those involved in it then it’s possible that Plame wasn’t compromised. It all depends on what Grossman revealed.

b) the Turks (NATO allies) may have been unhappy about US espionage on their territory, but unlikely to give the information to China, Pakistan, Irak or the Russians.

c) Plame may have been reassigned, but that doesn’t mean that she wasn’t still under cover. She may have travelled abroad under a new Agency cover, or under assumed names. This is supported by the affidavit provide in the Libby trial regarding Plame’s work history and travel abroad.

None of this justifies leaking by Armitage (who did it twice, but may have been the least likely to think she was covert), Libby, Rove and Cheney (all of whom were part of a more coordinated effort to subvert Joe Wilson’s credibility). It should be pointed out that the document that all of them had viewed about Wilson’s briefing were heavily marked as “Classified” and “Secret”.

Cheney may have had the power to Classify, and declassify documents that he had classified himself. But these were not insta-declassifiable by anyone than the “original classification authority” or the President.

]]> By: Gitcheegumee http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/19/the-secrets-novak-brings-to-the-grave/#comment-182326 Gitcheegumee Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:16:01 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/19/the-secrets-novak-brings-to-the-grave/#comment-182326 <p>Speaking of Turkish matters, here is an interesting item.</p> <p>There was a thread about Dostum a few weeks back,here.</p> <p>Aug<br /> 19</p> <p>US Is Picking & Choosing The Afghan Opium Trade Winners<br /> Tags: AFGHANISTAN</p> <p>Via Derrick Crowe, I see that accused war criminal and narco-warlord Gen. Abdul Rashid Dostum has rejoined Karzai’s government from exile in Turkey.<br /> In 2001, according to Physicians for Human Rights, he and his men stuffed thousands of prisoners into metal containers, suffocating most and shooting any who survived.<br /> Because he was on the CIA’s payroll, the Bush administration discouraged any investigations even after the mass grave of the victims was discovered. Karzai trusts him to deliver more than 1 million Uzbeck votes in Thursday’s election.<br /> (What Really Happened)</p> Speaking of Turkish matters, here is an interesting item.

There was a thread about Dostum a few weeks back,here.

Aug
19

US Is Picking & Choosing The Afghan Opium Trade Winners
Tags: AFGHANISTAN

Via Derrick Crowe, I see that accused war criminal and narco-warlord Gen. Abdul Rashid Dostum has rejoined Karzai’s government from exile in Turkey.
In 2001, according to Physicians for Human Rights, he and his men stuffed thousands of prisoners into metal containers, suffocating most and shooting any who survived.
Because he was on the CIA’s payroll, the Bush administration discouraged any investigations even after the mass grave of the victims was discovered. Karzai trusts him to deliver more than 1 million Uzbeck votes in Thursday’s election.
(What Really Happened)

]]> By: cinnamonape http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/19/the-secrets-novak-brings-to-the-grave/#comment-182318 cinnamonape Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:56:25 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/19/the-secrets-novak-brings-to-the-grave/#comment-182318 <p>Who provided the information for Armitage to leak? Recall that Cheney, via Libby, asked for the State Department to provide “a report” on Wilson’s role. This even though Cheney appears to have already known about Wilson’s role from the CIA from direct contact. The “report” thus was utterly unnecessary for finding out who “uthorized” Wilson’s trip. Unless of course, it provided a secondary advantage, by getting Valerie Plame’s name out into a broader range of potential leakers (Armitage , etc.) not directly tied to Cheney or the White House. The more whisperers out there the less chance there would be that Scooter would need to “stick his neck in the meat grinder due to the incompetence of others”.</p> Who provided the information for Armitage to leak? Recall that Cheney, via Libby, asked for the State Department to provide “a report” on Wilson’s role. This even though Cheney appears to have already known about Wilson’s role from the CIA from direct contact. The “report” thus was utterly unnecessary for finding out who “uthorized” Wilson’s trip. Unless of course, it provided a secondary advantage, by getting Valerie Plame’s name out into a broader range of potential leakers (Armitage , etc.) not directly tied to Cheney or the White House. The more whisperers out there the less chance there would be that Scooter would need to “stick his neck in the meat grinder due to the incompetence of others”.

]]> By: bmaz http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/19/the-secrets-novak-brings-to-the-grave/#comment-182306 bmaz Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:43:37 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/19/the-secrets-novak-brings-to-the-grave/#comment-182306 <p>Exactly. And I that is what I took you to be saying; there has been some disinformation lately about the Grossman thing though and I just wanted to make sure it was clear.</p> Exactly. And I that is what I took you to be saying; there has been some disinformation lately about the Grossman thing though and I just wanted to make sure it was clear.

]]> By: runfastandwin http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/19/the-secrets-novak-brings-to-the-grave/#comment-182302 runfastandwin Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:33:22 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/19/the-secrets-novak-brings-to-the-grave/#comment-182302 <p>In the words of the esteemed Ben Franklin, the louder they proclaimed their innocence, the faster we hid our spoons.</p> In the words of the esteemed Ben Franklin, the louder they proclaimed their innocence, the faster we hid our spoons.

]]> By: Watt4Bob http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/19/the-secrets-novak-brings-to-the-grave/#comment-182299 Watt4Bob Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:31:20 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/19/the-secrets-novak-brings-to-the-grave/#comment-182299 <p>Of course you’re right, and I wasn’t making excuses for the inexcusable.</p> <p>It’s Brewster Jennings’ cover that was blown, in 2001, and that was because of information shared with Turkish agents by Grossman, (who I would think should probably be prosecuted) it was not published world-wide by the MSM. </p> <p>That doesn’t mean that Valerie Plame’s cover was also blown at that time, it doesn’t mean it’s open season on Brewster Jennings et al, and it sure doesn’t excuse the actions of the OVP, and their lapdog reporters like Novak and Miller.</p> <p>My point in bringing this up is to point out that Valerie Plame was a professional, engaged in very important and covert work, contrary to the disinformation still being spread by irresponsible people in an effort to keep Cheney and crew out of jail.</p> Of course you’re right, and I wasn’t making excuses for the inexcusable.

It’s Brewster Jennings’ cover that was blown, in 2001, and that was because of information shared with Turkish agents by Grossman, (who I would think should probably be prosecuted) it was not published world-wide by the MSM.

That doesn’t mean that Valerie Plame’s cover was also blown at that time, it doesn’t mean it’s open season on Brewster Jennings et al, and it sure doesn’t excuse the actions of the OVP, and their lapdog reporters like Novak and Miller.

My point in bringing this up is to point out that Valerie Plame was a professional, engaged in very important and covert work, contrary to the disinformation still being spread by irresponsible people in an effort to keep Cheney and crew out of jail.

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