Comments on: The Cost Of Obama’s Beer Fest Failure Is More Tasered Moms http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/15/the-cost-of-obamas-beer-fest-failure-is-more-tasered-moms/ Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:48:32 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: bobschacht http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/15/the-cost-of-obamas-beer-fest-failure-is-more-tasered-moms/#comment-181325 bobschacht Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:30:30 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/15/the-cost-of-obamas-beer-fest-failure-is-more-tasered-moms/#comment-181325 <blockquote><p>9/11 officially jettisoned the validity of the Constitution.<br /> Homeland Security is ALL.</p></blockquote> <p>No, it didn’t. It was not 9/11 that did it, it was an administration composed of one part panic-driven mediocre public officials, and one part neocons in search of an excuse to wage war on Iraq and other places, who used fear to demonize the defenders of the Constitution as “weak”.</p> <p>The antidote is a public campaign freeing us to be Americans again, calling on our better selves rather than appealing to the worst in us. As Ben Franklin said, </p> <p>`Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.’</p> <p>Bob in HI</p>

9/11 officially jettisoned the validity of the Constitution.
Homeland Security is ALL.

No, it didn’t. It was not 9/11 that did it, it was an administration composed of one part panic-driven mediocre public officials, and one part neocons in search of an excuse to wage war on Iraq and other places, who used fear to demonize the defenders of the Constitution as “weak”.

The antidote is a public campaign freeing us to be Americans again, calling on our better selves rather than appealing to the worst in us. As Ben Franklin said,

`Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.’

Bob in HI

]]> By: bobschacht http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/15/the-cost-of-obamas-beer-fest-failure-is-more-tasered-moms/#comment-181324 bobschacht Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:19:13 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/15/the-cost-of-obamas-beer-fest-failure-is-more-tasered-moms/#comment-181324 <p>Thanks! Got it.</p> <p>`Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.’</p> <p>Bob in HI</p> Thanks! Got it.

`Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.’

Bob in HI

]]> By: fatster http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/15/the-cost-of-obamas-beer-fest-failure-is-more-tasered-moms/#comment-181318 fatster Mon, 17 Aug 2009 03:11:26 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/15/the-cost-of-obamas-beer-fest-failure-is-more-tasered-moms/#comment-181318 <p>No error. Just a minor tweaking. And here’s a big smile backatcha.</p> No error. Just a minor tweaking. And here’s a big smile backatcha.

]]> By: Petrocelli http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/15/the-cost-of-obamas-beer-fest-failure-is-more-tasered-moms/#comment-181289 Petrocelli Mon, 17 Aug 2009 01:00:31 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/15/the-cost-of-obamas-beer-fest-failure-is-more-tasered-moms/#comment-181289 <p>I wasn’t sure when I wrote that, but I knew that you’d point out the error, if any. <strong>*g*</strong></p> I wasn’t sure when I wrote that, but I knew that you’d point out the error, if any. *g*

]]> By: fatster http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/15/the-cost-of-obamas-beer-fest-failure-is-more-tasered-moms/#comment-181264 fatster Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:28:58 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/15/the-cost-of-obamas-beer-fest-failure-is-more-tasered-moms/#comment-181264 <p>Very true. Oh, and I actually hail from the other gender.</p> Very true. Oh, and I actually hail from the other gender.

]]> By: njr83 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/15/the-cost-of-obamas-beer-fest-failure-is-more-tasered-moms/#comment-181259 njr83 Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:12:45 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/15/the-cost-of-obamas-beer-fest-failure-is-more-tasered-moms/#comment-181259 <p>We’ve been wounded as a nation</p> <blockquote><p>But the areas I commonly wrote about and knew, and do know, from my education and career are primarily in the area of law and civil rights. There has been damn little change in those areas…</p></blockquote> <p>and we’re not healing yet.</p> We’ve been wounded as a nation

But the areas I commonly wrote about and knew, and do know, from my education and career are primarily in the area of law and civil rights. There has been damn little change in those areas…

and we’re not healing yet.

]]> By: skdadl http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/15/the-cost-of-obamas-beer-fest-failure-is-more-tasered-moms/#comment-181258 skdadl Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:08:18 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/15/the-cost-of-obamas-beer-fest-failure-is-more-tasered-moms/#comment-181258 <p>Well, that wore me out. Very very frightening. I’m never going out again.</p> Well, that wore me out. Very very frightening. I’m never going out again.

]]> By: bmaz http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/15/the-cost-of-obamas-beer-fest-failure-is-more-tasered-moms/#comment-181257 bmaz Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:15:30 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/15/the-cost-of-obamas-beer-fest-failure-is-more-tasered-moms/#comment-181257 <p>Excellent article, I passed it on to the FDL healthcare writers. Thanks.</p> Excellent article, I passed it on to the FDL healthcare writers. Thanks.

]]> By: fatster http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/15/the-cost-of-obamas-beer-fest-failure-is-more-tasered-moms/#comment-181256 fatster Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:02:48 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/15/the-cost-of-obamas-beer-fest-failure-is-more-tasered-moms/#comment-181256 <p>Now, who in the world would want to give up all this waste for a government-run public option?</p> <p>“Health insurers in America allocate about $100 billion annually to administrative costs and profits, said Dr. James G. Kahn, a professor of medicine at UC San Francisco who researches administrative costs. Doctors’ offices and hospitals spend roughly three times that much, $250 billion to $300 billion, on interaction with insurers – from filling out forms to doing appeals.</p> <p>‘”In this county we are spending nearly $400 billion a year basically to move money around,” said Kahn, who also heads the California Physicians Alliance, which advocates for national health insurance. “Every single individual in the Untied States is spending an average of $1,000 per person per year to move money around in the health care system.”‘</p> <p><a href="http://www.sacbee.com/topstories/story/2113203.html" rel="nofollow">More</a>.</p> Now, who in the world would want to give up all this waste for a government-run public option?

“Health insurers in America allocate about $100 billion annually to administrative costs and profits, said Dr. James G. Kahn, a professor of medicine at UC San Francisco who researches administrative costs. Doctors’ offices and hospitals spend roughly three times that much, $250 billion to $300 billion, on interaction with insurers – from filling out forms to doing appeals.

‘”In this county we are spending nearly $400 billion a year basically to move money around,” said Kahn, who also heads the California Physicians Alliance, which advocates for national health insurance. “Every single individual in the Untied States is spending an average of $1,000 per person per year to move money around in the health care system.”‘

More.

]]> By: bobschacht http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/15/the-cost-of-obamas-beer-fest-failure-is-more-tasered-moms/#comment-181255 bobschacht Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:54:01 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/15/the-cost-of-obamas-beer-fest-failure-is-more-tasered-moms/#comment-181255 <blockquote><p>We’re fighting truly evil, evil people (that includes “centrist Dems”)</p></blockquote> <p>Well, in fact this is the kind of absolutist, divisive speech that I was arguing against, whether from the Right or from the Left. Slobodon Milosevich is one of those people of whom I am inclined to think of as “truly evil, evil people.” But one of the geniuses of Jimmy Carter as an international negotiator (and he has a Nobel Prize to show for it) is that he chose to deal with the worst tyrants by addressing their better side (e.g., devoted father or husband) rather than only confronting their worst side. Dick Cheney, despite the monstrous evils we associate with him, is apparently a devoted and supportive father, even to his lesbian daughter.</p> <p>The first step towards genocide is to regard one’s opponents as subhuman.</p> <p>Bob in HI</p>

We’re fighting truly evil, evil people (that includes “centrist Dems”)

Well, in fact this is the kind of absolutist, divisive speech that I was arguing against, whether from the Right or from the Left. Slobodon Milosevich is one of those people of whom I am inclined to think of as “truly evil, evil people.” But one of the geniuses of Jimmy Carter as an international negotiator (and he has a Nobel Prize to show for it) is that he chose to deal with the worst tyrants by addressing their better side (e.g., devoted father or husband) rather than only confronting their worst side. Dick Cheney, despite the monstrous evils we associate with him, is apparently a devoted and supportive father, even to his lesbian daughter.

The first step towards genocide is to regard one’s opponents as subhuman.

Bob in HI

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