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		<title>By: Leen</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/08/gonzales-and-bush-havent-spoken/#comment-180052</link>
		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thank you thank you thank you.  Have been around Big Bill several times.  Once in Columbus when he first ran.  My youngest was six was in my arms as Bill, Al, Tipper and Hillary passed by shaking hands.  A gentlemen next to me kept screaming “I want to marry my boyfriend Steve, I want to marry my boyfriend Steve”  just after Bill passed. Tipper seemed flustered by the statement, Al ignored the young man. Hillary stopped right next to me, took the guys hand&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;, looked into his eyes and said.  “please listen to what we are saying, we are trying hard to address this, please listen”  Hillary cut through all the bull with laser like precision.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If only she had not vote for that 2002 war resolution and keep repeating unsubstantiated claims about Iran.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bill and Hillary have come to Athens quite a few times. The most impressive last fall was Chelsea.   I thought she was the most impressive person during the whole campaign period&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you thank you thank you.  Have been around Big Bill several times.  Once in Columbus when he first ran.  My youngest was six was in my arms as Bill, Al, Tipper and Hillary passed by shaking hands.  A gentlemen next to me kept screaming “I want to marry my boyfriend Steve, I want to marry my boyfriend Steve”  just after Bill passed. Tipper seemed flustered by the statement, Al ignored the young man. Hillary stopped right next to me, took the guys hand</p>
<p>, looked into his eyes and said.  “please listen to what we are saying, we are trying hard to address this, please listen”  Hillary cut through all the bull with laser like precision.</p>
<p>If only she had not vote for that 2002 war resolution and keep repeating unsubstantiated claims about Iran.</p>
<p>Bill and Hillary have come to Athens quite a few times. The most impressive last fall was Chelsea.   I thought she was the most impressive person during the whole campaign period</p>
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		<title>By: Civlibertarian</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/08/gonzales-and-bush-havent-spoken/#comment-180040</link>
		<dc:creator>Civlibertarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 05:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You could say that, yes.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Gitcheegumee</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/08/gonzales-and-bush-havent-spoken/#comment-179969</link>
		<dc:creator>Gitcheegumee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 21:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@99&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Are you one of the mods here?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@99</p>
<p>Are you one of the mods here?</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/08/gonzales-and-bush-havent-spoken/#comment-179959</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 20:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, except for that the whole bogus line of thought about Plame and Brewster-Jennings not still being covert and protected was shot to hell by the declaration and avowals to the court, on the record, of Patrick Fitzgerald, on official and uncontradicted behalf of the government, that Plame was covert and the operation protected.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, except for that the whole bogus line of thought about Plame and Brewster-Jennings not still being covert and protected was shot to hell by the declaration and avowals to the court, on the record, of Patrick Fitzgerald, on official and uncontradicted behalf of the government, that Plame was covert and the operation protected.</p>
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		<title>By: rhythm</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/08/gonzales-and-bush-havent-spoken/#comment-179949</link>
		<dc:creator>rhythm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;not sure where i come down on the SE events, but it would explain how they thought they could claim Plame was not a covert agent if they knew B-J had been dismantled years prior…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not sure where i come down on the SE events, but it would explain how they thought they could claim Plame was not a covert agent if they knew B-J had been dismantled years prior…</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/08/gonzales-and-bush-havent-spoken/#comment-179946</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 18:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I do not want to get tied up in another off topic long winded distraction, and hope you will stop as well. Links work fine, especially when off topic, you do not always need to take up vertical feet of comment space. But, in response to your point, those are evidentiary rulings well within the purview of the trial court.  You may take issue, but they were legally legitimate rulings.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not want to get tied up in another off topic long winded distraction, and hope you will stop as well. Links work fine, especially when off topic, you do not always need to take up vertical feet of comment space. But, in response to your point, those are evidentiary rulings well within the purview of the trial court.  You may take issue, but they were legally legitimate rulings.</p>
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		<title>By: Gitcheegumee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gitcheegumee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 18:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Arrest prompts call for release of Ramos, CompeanNov 16, 2007 … Sutton, said Rohrabacher in a statement, ”is now confirming what members of Congress and the public already figured out about Osvaldo Davila …&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58735&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58735&lt;/a&gt; - Cached - Similar&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arrest prompts call for release of Ramos, CompeanNov 16, 2007 … Sutton, said Rohrabacher in a statement, ”is now confirming what members of Congress and the public already figured out about Osvaldo Davila …<br /><a href="http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58735" rel="nofollow">http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58735</a> &#8211; Cached &#8211; Similar</p>
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		<title>By: Gitcheegumee</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/08/gonzales-and-bush-havent-spoken/#comment-179941</link>
		<dc:creator>Gitcheegumee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 18:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;——————————————————————————–&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;——————————————————————————–&lt;br /&gt;
INVASION USA&lt;br /&gt;
Arrest prompts call for release of Ramos, Compean&lt;br /&gt;
Congressmen want probe of prosecutor after smuggler indicted for ‘2nd load’&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt; Aldrete-Davila was arrested yesterday at the El Paso border crossing on charges he smuggled a second 750-pound load of marijuana into the U.S. after he was given immunity by U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It was the first smuggling attempt by Aldrete-Davila, in February 2005, that led to the 11- and 12-year prison sentences of Ramos and Compean. The two agents were convicted by a jury of violating federal gun laws and covering up the shooting of the smuggler as he fled back to Mexico after driving across the border with 742 pounds of marijuana. &lt;strong&gt;Sutton’s office gave Aldrete-Davila immunity to serve as the government’s star witness and testify against the border agents &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Poe agreed with Rohrabacher, suggesting a special prosecutor might be needed to review the entire case. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Sutton’s office always claimed that Davila was just a mule bringing one load of drugs across to the United States, to get some money to help his sick mother in Mexico,” Poe noted to WND. &lt;strong&gt;“The prosecutors presented this scenario to the jury in the Ramos and Compean trial. We now know that this is not true. Davila is a professional drug smuggler.” &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At the time of the trial, Poe pointed out, “the jury should have known, as did the U.S. Attorney’s office, that while Davila had been given immunity and was running loose waiting to testify, he brought in a second load of drugs to the United States.” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A statement by Sutton published on the Department of Justice website confirms Aldrete-Davila was arrested yesterday by agents of the Drug Enforcement Administration and the Department of Homeland Security at the Ysleta Port of Entry in El Paso, Texas. A sealed indictment charged him with conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute marijuana and with possession of marijuana with intent to distribute in September and October 2005. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Both dates are prior to the Ramos and Compean trial. &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The October 2005 date coincides with previous reports that Aldrete-Davila’s attempted a second load Oct. 23, 2005, while under immunity from Sutton’s office and possessed a border pass card issued by the Department of Homeland Security. &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The indictment’s mention of a September date suggests Davila was involved in multiple drug smuggling incidents after the Feb. 17, 2005, event with Ramos and Compean and before the trial began Oct. 12, 2006. &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Commenting on the statement published by Sutton today, Rohrabacher said: “Sutton has not only confirmed Davila’s infamous October drug run but has now revealed evidence of several other smuggling incidents all of which took place while drug smuggler Davila was under full protection of the U.S. government.” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Poe also believes Sutton’s office withheld information from the jury to protect his case against the Border Patrol agents. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;“The U.S. attorney relentlessly kept from the jury this information about Davila’s subsequent drug events,” Poe emphasized, “even convincing the judge at the Ramos and Compean trial to seal the information, because the information would hurt Davila’s credibility as a witness.”&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(Link to follow)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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INVASION USA<br />
Arrest prompts call for release of Ramos, Compean<br />
Congressmen want probe of prosecutor after smuggler indicted for ‘2nd load’</p>
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<p> Aldrete-Davila was arrested yesterday at the El Paso border crossing on charges he smuggled a second 750-pound load of marijuana into the U.S. after he was given immunity by U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton. </p>
<p>It was the first smuggling attempt by Aldrete-Davila, in February 2005, that led to the 11- and 12-year prison sentences of Ramos and Compean. The two agents were convicted by a jury of violating federal gun laws and covering up the shooting of the smuggler as he fled back to Mexico after driving across the border with 742 pounds of marijuana. <strong>Sutton’s office gave Aldrete-Davila immunity to serve as the government’s star witness and testify against the border agents </strong><br />
Poe agreed with Rohrabacher, suggesting a special prosecutor might be needed to review the entire case. </p>
<p>“Sutton’s office always claimed that Davila was just a mule bringing one load of drugs across to the United States, to get some money to help his sick mother in Mexico,” Poe noted to WND. <strong>“The prosecutors presented this scenario to the jury in the Ramos and Compean trial. We now know that this is not true. Davila is a professional drug smuggler.” </strong></p>
<p>At the time of the trial, Poe pointed out, “the jury should have known, as did the U.S. Attorney’s office, that while Davila had been given immunity and was running loose waiting to testify, he brought in a second load of drugs to the United States.” </p>
<p>A statement by Sutton published on the Department of Justice website confirms Aldrete-Davila was arrested yesterday by agents of the Drug Enforcement Administration and the Department of Homeland Security at the Ysleta Port of Entry in El Paso, Texas. A sealed indictment charged him with conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute marijuana and with possession of marijuana with intent to distribute in September and October 2005. </p>
<p><strong>Both dates are prior to the Ramos and Compean trial. </strong></p>
<p><strong>The October 2005 date coincides with previous reports that Aldrete-Davila’s attempted a second load Oct. 23, 2005, while under immunity from Sutton’s office and possessed a border pass card issued by the Department of Homeland Security. </strong><strong>The indictment’s mention of a September date suggests Davila was involved in multiple drug smuggling incidents after the Feb. 17, 2005, event with Ramos and Compean and before the trial began Oct. 12, 2006. </strong></p>
<p>Commenting on the statement published by Sutton today, Rohrabacher said: “Sutton has not only confirmed Davila’s infamous October drug run but has now revealed evidence of several other smuggling incidents all of which took place while drug smuggler Davila was under full protection of the U.S. government.” </p>
<p>Poe also believes Sutton’s office withheld information from the jury to protect his case against the Border Patrol agents. </p>
<p><strong>“The U.S. attorney relentlessly kept from the jury this information about Davila’s subsequent drug events,” Poe emphasized, “even convincing the judge at the Ramos and Compean trial to seal the information, because the information would hurt Davila’s credibility as a witness.”</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Gitcheegumee</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/08/gonzales-and-bush-havent-spoken/#comment-179937</link>
		<dc:creator>Gitcheegumee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 18:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bush Commutes Sentences for Two Former Border Patrol Agents&lt;br /&gt;
President Bush commutes the sentences of  Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean, convicted of shooting a Mexican drug runner in 2005.   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;FOXNews.com&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Monday, January 19, 2009 &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jan. 17, 2007: Former U.S. Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos (left) and Jose Alonso Compean (right) turn themselves in to federal authorities. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; On his last full day in office, President Bush commuted the controversial sentences of two former Border Patrol agents convicted of shooting a Mexican drug runner in 2005. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The imprisonment of Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean had sparked outcry from critics who said the men were just doing their jobs and were punished too harshly. They had been sentenced to 11- and 12-year sentences, respectively. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Their sentences will now expire on March 20 of this year. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Ramos and Compean were sentenced in connection with the shooting of Osvaldo Aldrete Davila, who was shot in the buttocks while trying to flee along the Texas border. He admitted smuggling several hundred pounds of marijuana on the day he was shot and pleaded guilty last year to drug charges related to two other smuggling attempts. &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The pair’s case ignited debate across the country, as a chorus of organizations and members of Congress — many of them Republican — argued that the men were just doing their jobs. &lt;strong&gt;Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., was particularly outspoken on the issue, at one time describing Ramos and Compean as “unjustly convicted men who never should have been prosecuted in the first place.”&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nearly the entire congressional delegation from Texas and other lawmakers from both sides of the political aisle pleaded with Bush to grant them clemency. Conservatives hailed Bush’s decision Monday. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“The whole thing was ridiculous from beginning to end, and two years was way too long for them to serve,” said radio talk show host Laura Ingraham. “Conservatives are very happy across the country.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush Commutes Sentences for Two Former Border Patrol Agents<br />
President Bush commutes the sentences of  Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean, convicted of shooting a Mexican drug runner in 2005.   </p>
<p>FOXNews.com</p>
<p>Monday, January 19, 2009 </p>
<p>Jan. 17, 2007: Former U.S. Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos (left) and Jose Alonso Compean (right) turn themselves in to federal authorities. </p>
<p> On his last full day in office, President Bush commuted the controversial sentences of two former Border Patrol agents convicted of shooting a Mexican drug runner in 2005. </p>
<p>The imprisonment of Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean had sparked outcry from critics who said the men were just doing their jobs and were punished too harshly. They had been sentenced to 11- and 12-year sentences, respectively. </p>
<p>Their sentences will now expire on March 20 of this year. </p>
<p><strong>Ramos and Compean were sentenced in connection with the shooting of Osvaldo Aldrete Davila, who was shot in the buttocks while trying to flee along the Texas border. He admitted smuggling several hundred pounds of marijuana on the day he was shot and pleaded guilty last year to drug charges related to two other smuggling attempts. </strong></p>
<p>The pair’s case ignited debate across the country, as a chorus of organizations and members of Congress — many of them Republican — argued that the men were just doing their jobs. <strong>Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., was particularly outspoken on the issue, at one time describing Ramos and Compean as “unjustly convicted men who never should have been prosecuted in the first place.”</strong></p>
<p>Nearly the entire congressional delegation from Texas and other lawmakers from both sides of the political aisle pleaded with Bush to grant them clemency. Conservatives hailed Bush’s decision Monday. </p>
<p>“The whole thing was ridiculous from beginning to end, and two years was way too long for them to serve,” said radio talk show host Laura Ingraham. “Conservatives are very happy across the country.”</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/08/gonzales-and-bush-havent-spoken/#comment-179920</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 16:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ramos and Campion were charged with illegally (without proper justification) shooting a man in the back and then giving false statements to federal officials and obstructing justice.  There is no question whatsoever but that they gave false statements and obstructed justice.  The question of whether they were justified in the shooting was put to a properly formed and legally empaneled “jury of peers” which found beyond a reasonable doubt that there was” no credible” evidence that the agent’s lives were in danger to justify the use of force. A jury found that the smuggler victim was shot in the back (buttocks) and had no weapon to warrant the use of deadly force. Further, additional agents on the scene have testified under oath that they did not believe there was a threat that warranted drawing their pistols. I fail to see anything improper about that.  Prosecutors give immunity to witnesses/victims in cases like this all the time.  There was nothing out of the ordinary about this other than people wigged out because the victim was an illegal alien allegedly involved in a non-violent crime.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I do not care a lick for Johnny Sutton, but he acted completely within his prosecutorial discretion to prosecute Ramos and Campion.  They shot an unarmed man in the back and fucking lied about it, they should be sent to prison, and they ought to still be in prison.  Thank to another of George Bushes commutations to criminals, they are now free to be heroes to conspiracy nimrods and Lou Dobbs and Glen Beck acolytes everywhere.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ramos and Campion were charged with illegally (without proper justification) shooting a man in the back and then giving false statements to federal officials and obstructing justice.  There is no question whatsoever but that they gave false statements and obstructed justice.  The question of whether they were justified in the shooting was put to a properly formed and legally empaneled “jury of peers” which found beyond a reasonable doubt that there was” no credible” evidence that the agent’s lives were in danger to justify the use of force. A jury found that the smuggler victim was shot in the back (buttocks) and had no weapon to warrant the use of deadly force. Further, additional agents on the scene have testified under oath that they did not believe there was a threat that warranted drawing their pistols. I fail to see anything improper about that.  Prosecutors give immunity to witnesses/victims in cases like this all the time.  There was nothing out of the ordinary about this other than people wigged out because the victim was an illegal alien allegedly involved in a non-violent crime.</p>
<p>I do not care a lick for Johnny Sutton, but he acted completely within his prosecutorial discretion to prosecute Ramos and Campion.  They shot an unarmed man in the back and fucking lied about it, they should be sent to prison, and they ought to still be in prison.  Thank to another of George Bushes commutations to criminals, they are now free to be heroes to conspiracy nimrods and Lou Dobbs and Glen Beck acolytes everywhere.</p>
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