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	<title>Comments on: John Brennan Gives Gonzales-Like Answer on Illegal Surveillance Program</title>
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		<title>By: fatster</title>
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		<dc:creator>fatster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 22:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I do hope she’ll be able to talk and to tell us, if not all she knows, at least enough that we can more accurately assess the importance and implications of it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do hope she’ll be able to talk and to tell us, if not all she knows, at least enough that we can more accurately assess the importance and implications of it.</p>
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		<title>By: x174</title>
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		<dc:creator>x174</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;From an earlier thread Gitcheegumee wrote on August 6th, 2009 at 7:03 am&lt;br /&gt;
12&lt;br /&gt;
…&lt;br /&gt;
FBI Whistleblower Sibel Edmonds Subpoenaed, Set to ‘Break’ Gag Order Unless DoJ Intercedes&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;FULL STORY: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7341&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7341&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Read more: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7341&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7341&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One of the bombshells that Sibel Edmonds revealed recently was that Osama bin Laden was still working for the US up until 9/11. “Sort of” opens up a whole new narrative of what the US was up to before 9/11. It also helps explain how Al Qaeda got away during Operation Anaconda:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Relations [between US and Britain] were further soured with reports from a number of publications that Osama bin Laden might have escaped due to a substantial delay from the original H-hour of the deployment of American Forces. “&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Anaconda#Results_and_effects_of_Operation_Anaconda&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O.....n_Anaconda&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thus far: 1) US (intelligence) activities before 9/11 include activities authorized by the National Security Act of 1947 and 2) the conspiracy and complicity regarding US involvement with OBL (according to Sibel Edmonds).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From an earlier thread Gitcheegumee wrote on August 6th, 2009 at 7:03 am<br />
12<br />
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FBI Whistleblower Sibel Edmonds Subpoenaed, Set to ‘Break’ Gag Order Unless DoJ Intercedes</p>
<p>FULL STORY: <a href="http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7341" rel="nofollow">http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7341</a><br />
Read more: <a href="http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7341" rel="nofollow">http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7341</a></p>
<p>One of the bombshells that Sibel Edmonds revealed recently was that Osama bin Laden was still working for the US up until 9/11. “Sort of” opens up a whole new narrative of what the US was up to before 9/11. It also helps explain how Al Qaeda got away during Operation Anaconda:</p>
<p>“Relations [between US and Britain] were further soured with reports from a number of publications that Osama bin Laden might have escaped due to a substantial delay from the original H-hour of the deployment of American Forces. “</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Anaconda#Results_and_effects_of_Operation_Anaconda" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O&#8230;..n_Anaconda</a></p>
<p>Thus far: 1) US (intelligence) activities before 9/11 include activities authorized by the National Security Act of 1947 and 2) the conspiracy and complicity regarding US involvement with OBL (according to Sibel Edmonds).</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Spencer Ackerman and Marc Ambinder have had some follow up&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/08/what_did_john_brennan_know.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://washingtonindependent.com/54253/what-brennan-knew-sort-of-about-domestic-surveillance&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;From the Ambinder piece, we do get this:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;we’ve heard next to nothing from any Obama administration official about whether their campaign-era perception of the NSA programs comported with the reality they found once in office.  The only thing I’ve been able to glean is that the President is fascinated by the details the NSA manages to place in his PDB&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As long as it give him the opportunity to finger steeple and look contemplative, what more can we ask of the unconstitutional parent of FISA felonious spawn?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spencer Ackerman and Marc Ambinder have had some follow up</p>
<p><a href="http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/08/what_did_john_brennan_know.php" rel="nofollow">here</a></p>
<p>and </p>
<p><a href="http://washingtonindependent.com/54253/what-brennan-knew-sort-of-about-domestic-surveillance" rel="nofollow">here</a>.  </p>
<p>From the Ambinder piece, we do get this:</p>
<blockquote><p>we’ve heard next to nothing from any Obama administration official about whether their campaign-era perception of the NSA programs comported with the reality they found once in office.  The only thing I’ve been able to glean is that the President is fascinated by the details the NSA manages to place in his PDB</p>
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<p>As long as it give him the opportunity to finger steeple and look contemplative, what more can we ask of the unconstitutional parent of FISA felonious spawn?</p>
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		<title>By: fatster</title>
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		<dc:creator>fatster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It is disheartening, Leen, and that’s where they want us.  It does get overwhelming sometimes, but we simply must dust ourselves off and keep moving forward.  HITYLHMIHTP?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is disheartening, Leen, and that’s where they want us.  It does get overwhelming sometimes, but we simply must dust ourselves off and keep moving forward.  HITYLHMIHTP?</p>
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		<title>By: dickdata</title>
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		<dc:creator>dickdata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In regards to the surveillance programs that Brennen oversaw: you have never heard that Obama administration claim that they have discontinued any of the surveillance programs that were in place when they took office.  I believe that it is unlikely that the Bush administration shut down any of those programs.  So, by deduction, I believe that those programs continue.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regards to the surveillance programs that Brennen oversaw: you have never heard that Obama administration claim that they have discontinued any of the surveillance programs that were in place when they took office.  I believe that it is unlikely that the Bush administration shut down any of those programs.  So, by deduction, I believe that those programs continue.</p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Glad your move has been a positive change. Son of Klynn was glad too. Take care.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad your move has been a positive change. Son of Klynn was glad too. Take care.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yesterday on Talk of the Nation they did a show on the situation in Afghanistan.the disregard expressed  towards the lives of Afghani’s who have died was alarming but seems par for the course these days. One of the guest referred to the “5000″ deaths of civilians between 2006 and 2009 as “quite small”.   Demonstrates once again the arrogance and cold hearted attitudes of some in the military  and  host on talk radio. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Can you imagine someone ireferring to those who have died on 9/11 as a&lt;br /&gt;
“small amount”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;During the program NeilConan said “civilian deaths” are to be expected with such a dismissive attitude it turned my stomach&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Civilian casualties&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=5&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.npr.org/templates/r.....hp?prgId=5&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It was really interesting to hear Neil Conan object and call into question the numbers of deaths in Iraq as questionable.  He threw up a challenge.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have yet to hear Neil Conan object when guest repeat the unsubstantiated claims that Iran is pursuing a nuclear weapons program.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Have never heard Neil challenge people when they say Iran wants to “wipe Israel off the map”  Professor Juan Cole debunked that alleged statement long ago.  Yet we hear Neil and many other talking heads including Rachel Maddow allow it to be repeated over and over again&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday on Talk of the Nation they did a show on the situation in Afghanistan.the disregard expressed  towards the lives of Afghani’s who have died was alarming but seems par for the course these days. One of the guest referred to the “5000″ deaths of civilians between 2006 and 2009 as “quite small”.   Demonstrates once again the arrogance and cold hearted attitudes of some in the military  and  host on talk radio. </p>
<p>Can you imagine someone ireferring to those who have died on 9/11 as a<br />
“small amount”</p>
<p>During the program NeilConan said “civilian deaths” are to be expected with such a dismissive attitude it turned my stomach</p>
<p>Civilian casualties<br /><a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=5" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/templates/r&#8230;..hp?prgId=5</a></p>
<p>It was really interesting to hear Neil Conan object and call into question the numbers of deaths in Iraq as questionable.  He threw up a challenge.</p>
<p>I have yet to hear Neil Conan object when guest repeat the unsubstantiated claims that Iran is pursuing a nuclear weapons program.</p>
<p>Have never heard Neil challenge people when they say Iran wants to “wipe Israel off the map”  Professor Juan Cole debunked that alleged statement long ago.  Yet we hear Neil and many other talking heads including Rachel Maddow allow it to be repeated over and over again</p>
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		<title>By: skdadl</title>
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		<dc:creator>skdadl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;lol, Loo Hoo. I’m a few towns away from where I was. I don’t mean to be coy, but I’m feeling more careful about publishing my location than I used to. I’m still in Great Lakeistan (forget what EW calls us all). On a clear day I can’t quite see the U.S. from my kitchen, but if anyone down there rears his/her head, I’m an early line of defence. *wink*&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol, Loo Hoo. I’m a few towns away from where I was. I don’t mean to be coy, but I’m feeling more careful about publishing my location than I used to. I’m still in Great Lakeistan (forget what EW calls us all). On a clear day I can’t quite see the U.S. from my kitchen, but if anyone down there rears his/her head, I’m an early line of defence. *wink*</p>
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		<title>By: x174</title>
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		<dc:creator>x174</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 04:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Initial Analysis:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish &lt;em&gt;this National Security Act of 1947.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To wit:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The National Security Council (NSC) was established&lt;br /&gt;
   by the National Security Act of 1947 (see Short Title note above)&lt;br /&gt;
   to advise the President with respect to the integration of&lt;br /&gt;
   domestic, foreign and military policies relating to the national&lt;br /&gt;
   security.  &lt;strong&gt;The NSC shall act as the highest Executive Branch entity&lt;br /&gt;
   that provides review of, guidance for and direction to the conduct&lt;br /&gt;
   of all national foreign intelligence, counterintelligence, and&lt;br /&gt;
   special activities, and attendant policies and programs.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo12333.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo12333.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Executive Order 12333 1.2&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Initial Analysis:</p>
<p>We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish <em>this National Security Act of 1947.</em></p>
<p>To wit:</p>
<p>The National Security Council (NSC) was established<br />
   by the National Security Act of 1947 (see Short Title note above)<br />
   to advise the President with respect to the integration of<br />
   domestic, foreign and military policies relating to the national<br />
   security.  <strong>The NSC shall act as the highest Executive Branch entity<br />
   that provides review of, guidance for and direction to the conduct<br />
   of all national foreign intelligence, counterintelligence, and<br />
   special activities, and attendant policies and programs.</strong><br /><a href="http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo12333.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo12333.htm</a><br />
Executive Order 12333 1.2</p>
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		<title>By: x174</title>
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		<dc:creator>x174</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 04:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;how about this “blast from the past” (circa 1981):&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; The United States intelligence effort shall provide the President&lt;br /&gt;
 and the National Security Council with the necessary information on&lt;br /&gt;
 which to base decisions concerning the conduct and development of&lt;br /&gt;
 foreign, defense and economic policy, and the protection of United&lt;br /&gt;
 States national interests from foreign security threats.  All&lt;br /&gt;
 departments and agencies shall cooperate fully to fulfill this&lt;br /&gt;
 goal.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What caught my eye in this national security proviso is the apparent integration in the decision-making regarding: &lt;strong&gt;foreign, defense and economic policy&lt;/strong&gt; as well as national interests from foreign security threats.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The beautiful thing about this document is the way–after initially stipulating that it must be constitutional, legal, blah, blah, blah– states that it must comport with the National Security Act of 1947:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Timely and accurate information about the activities,&lt;br /&gt;
capabilities, plans, and intentions of foreign powers,&lt;br /&gt;
organizations, and persons, and their agents, is essential to the&lt;br /&gt;
national security of the United States. All reasonable and lawful&lt;br /&gt;
means must be used to ensure that the United States will receive&lt;br /&gt;
the best intelligence available.  For that purpose, by virtue of&lt;br /&gt;
the authority vested in me by the Constitution and statutes of the&lt;br /&gt;
United States of America, including the National Security Act of&lt;br /&gt;
1947, as amended (see Short Title note above)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo12333.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo12333.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;UNITED STATES INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES&lt;br /&gt;
EO 12333&lt;br /&gt;
4 December 1981&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how about this “blast from the past” (circa 1981):</p>
<p> The United States intelligence effort shall provide the President<br />
 and the National Security Council with the necessary information on<br />
 which to base decisions concerning the conduct and development of<br />
 foreign, defense and economic policy, and the protection of United<br />
 States national interests from foreign security threats.  All<br />
 departments and agencies shall cooperate fully to fulfill this<br />
 goal.</p>
<p>What caught my eye in this national security proviso is the apparent integration in the decision-making regarding: <strong>foreign, defense and economic policy</strong> as well as national interests from foreign security threats.</p>
<p>The beautiful thing about this document is the way–after initially stipulating that it must be constitutional, legal, blah, blah, blah– states that it must comport with the National Security Act of 1947:</p>
<p>Timely and accurate information about the activities,<br />
capabilities, plans, and intentions of foreign powers,<br />
organizations, and persons, and their agents, is essential to the<br />
national security of the United States. All reasonable and lawful<br />
means must be used to ensure that the United States will receive<br />
the best intelligence available.  For that purpose, by virtue of<br />
the authority vested in me by the Constitution and statutes of the<br />
United States of America, including the National Security Act of<br />
1947, as amended (see Short Title note above)<br /><a href="http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo12333.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo12333.htm</a></p>
<p>UNITED STATES INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES<br />
EO 12333<br />
4 December 1981</p>
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