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	<title>Comments on: Consumers Can&#8217;t Save $750 by Driving a More Efficient Gun to Work</title>
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		<title>By: glitterscale</title>
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		<dc:creator>glitterscale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Marcy - you did a great job staying focused.  Perhaps if Bob doesn’t want to be called a repub he might lay off of the repub talking points!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I liked your response about the fact that this stimulus money, unlike Bush’s gets targeted and creates a multiplier effect.  The big stimulus package has far too many tax cuts and not enough money for projects out in front.  I realize now that they were seriously worried about inflation and probably wanted to be able to cut some of the stimulus if it got that fire going.&lt;br /&gt;
I really think that Bernanke et al are seriously not real about the dangers of recession turning to depression.  I think there are also a number of deflationary aspects - like the loss of wealth in both stock market and housing - that will have to have a turnaround to add fuel to that fire.  The market is moving but it is a weak vessel at the moment.  The housing market may be moving but it also may be affected by all the pink slips being handed out.  We will see what really happens.  What I wonder is how many people have seriously changed their financial habits?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcy &#8211; you did a great job staying focused.  Perhaps if Bob doesn’t want to be called a repub he might lay off of the repub talking points!</p>
<p>I liked your response about the fact that this stimulus money, unlike Bush’s gets targeted and creates a multiplier effect.  The big stimulus package has far too many tax cuts and not enough money for projects out in front.  I realize now that they were seriously worried about inflation and probably wanted to be able to cut some of the stimulus if it got that fire going.<br />
I really think that Bernanke et al are seriously not real about the dangers of recession turning to depression.  I think there are also a number of deflationary aspects &#8211; like the loss of wealth in both stock market and housing &#8211; that will have to have a turnaround to add fuel to that fire.  The market is moving but it is a weak vessel at the moment.  The housing market may be moving but it also may be affected by all the pink slips being handed out.  We will see what really happens.  What I wonder is how many people have seriously changed their financial habits?</p>
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		<title>By: jussumbody</title>
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		<dc:creator>jussumbody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Can someone explain to me why only asshole Republicans who drive SUVs are eligible for this fantastic new tax credit.  I’ve been driving an old car that gets 35/50 mpg for 13 years and 140K miles.  I’d buy a new car and stimulate the economy too if I got a tax credit, and my old car wouldn’t have to go to the landfill, thus affording some asshole SUV driver the opportunity to buy a cheap, fuel efficient car.  But no, only the fascist road hogs/parking space hogs/fuel hogs get this one.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone explain to me why only asshole Republicans who drive SUVs are eligible for this fantastic new tax credit.  I’ve been driving an old car that gets 35/50 mpg for 13 years and 140K miles.  I’d buy a new car and stimulate the economy too if I got a tax credit, and my old car wouldn’t have to go to the landfill, thus affording some asshole SUV driver the opportunity to buy a cheap, fuel efficient car.  But no, only the fascist road hogs/parking space hogs/fuel hogs get this one.</p>
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		<title>By: howard</title>
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		<dc:creator>howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yup, what Kitt says. Right on.  But I wish you called it his &lt;i&gt;little&lt;/i&gt; divorce joke.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, what Kitt says. Right on.  But I wish you called it his <i>little</i> divorce joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Mauimom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mauimom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 05:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Suggestion re the bookcases: hang some Michigan banners over ‘em.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suggestion re the bookcases: hang some Michigan banners over ‘em.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 02:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh, that’s my office. But we’ll call it study if it makes me sound smart.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, that’s my office. But we’ll call it study if it makes me sound smart.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 02:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Didja notice the lipstick? I must be three TV appearances in a row where I applied full makeup!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didja notice the lipstick? I must be three TV appearances in a row where I applied full makeup!</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 00:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Plus there this, the NRA’s unofficial motto: You’ll get my gun when Pry it From My Cold Dead Hands.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plus there this, the NRA’s unofficial motto: You’ll get my gun when Pry it From My Cold Dead Hands.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 00:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Gravy For Guns”?  What idiocy? Is he suggesting that people trade in their OLD guns for more efficiently, lethal ones? Ones that “reduce the demand for the purchase of foreign weapons”? Or maybe he’s encouraging the use of “public weapons”- guns shared around by a “community” when they need to kill someone…sort of like public transportation? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I can see the ads now:”Get those clunker guns off the street…get some sleek, light new high-powered but efficient automatic weapons. Easy handling, even the ladies and kids can put out 500 rounds a minute from the hip. Be “green” -share them with family and friends. And the new efficient American made Smith &amp; Wessons not only create more jobs, but they reduce the costs of health care, too. More people are DOA with our new, deadlier models than with the older models that kept victims lingering for weeks in intensive care or even years in wheelchairs. “Guns For Gravy” it’s Good For America.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Gravy For Guns”?  What idiocy? Is he suggesting that people trade in their OLD guns for more efficiently, lethal ones? Ones that “reduce the demand for the purchase of foreign weapons”? Or maybe he’s encouraging the use of “public weapons”- guns shared around by a “community” when they need to kill someone…sort of like public transportation? </p>
<p>I can see the ads now:”Get those clunker guns off the street…get some sleek, light new high-powered but efficient automatic weapons. Easy handling, even the ladies and kids can put out 500 rounds a minute from the hip. Be “green” -share them with family and friends. And the new efficient American made Smith &amp; Wessons not only create more jobs, but they reduce the costs of health care, too. More people are DOA with our new, deadlier models than with the older models that kept victims lingering for weeks in intensive care or even years in wheelchairs. “Guns For Gravy” it’s Good For America.”</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 23:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Marcy, Did CNN find you and Bob by looking online at columns and posts you’ve made?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You were really good as usual, especially with many interesting details about why CARS it is good stimulus.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I thought Bob was shooting blanks. He was not serious, made unfunny jokes and argued a fallacy:  Is it &lt;em&gt;post hoc ergo propter hoc&lt;/em&gt; or Irrelevant Conclusion? I wish I was better at identifying fallacies.  Anyway, he argued:  If CARS is effective it is unfair because it is not distributing $4500 to every citizen, therefore we should distribute $4500 to every citizen but then that would make us a nation of clunkers, and therefore we should not continue CARS with +$2bil in funding.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcy, Did CNN find you and Bob by looking online at columns and posts you’ve made?  </p>
<p>You were really good as usual, especially with many interesting details about why CARS it is good stimulus.  </p>
<p>I thought Bob was shooting blanks. He was not serious, made unfunny jokes and argued a fallacy:  Is it <em>post hoc ergo propter hoc</em> or Irrelevant Conclusion? I wish I was better at identifying fallacies.  Anyway, he argued:  If CARS is effective it is unfair because it is not distributing $4500 to every citizen, therefore we should distribute $4500 to every citizen but then that would make us a nation of clunkers, and therefore we should not continue CARS with +$2bil in funding.</p>
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		<title>By: Margot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 23:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Do you have NoScript (a Firefox thing)? I do, and I had to allow more stuff to load before I could see the video.&lt;br /&gt;
Marcy, great job. I could hardly hear Bob. Not a great loss, but annoying.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you have NoScript (a Firefox thing)? I do, and I had to allow more stuff to load before I could see the video.<br />
Marcy, great job. I could hardly hear Bob. Not a great loss, but annoying.</p>
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