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		<title>By: ferrarimanf355</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/30/four-days-250000-cars/#comment-178535</link>
		<dc:creator>ferrarimanf355</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 03:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So you’d rather offend me because I want to choose my car, not the government or the greenies? Puh-leeze&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you’d rather offend me because I want to choose my car, not the government or the greenies? Puh-leeze</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/30/four-days-250000-cars/#comment-178325</link>
		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sounds like that would be a pretty good fit.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like that would be a pretty good fit.</p>
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		<title>By: ferrarimanf355</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/30/four-days-250000-cars/#comment-178298</link>
		<dc:creator>ferrarimanf355</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You may be saying that now, but what about down the road, when Di Fi suddenly-but-not-suprisingly declares war on anything that isn’t hybrid or electric?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t have a muscle car, but I want a 2011 Mustang with the new 5.0 liter V8. If I can’t get one because the Greenpeace alarmists say so, I’m switching my party affiliation from Democrat to Libertarian.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may be saying that now, but what about down the road, when Di Fi suddenly-but-not-suprisingly declares war on anything that isn’t hybrid or electric?</p>
<p>I don’t have a muscle car, but I want a 2011 Mustang with the new 5.0 liter V8. If I can’t get one because the Greenpeace alarmists say so, I’m switching my party affiliation from Democrat to Libertarian.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/30/four-days-250000-cars/#comment-178246</link>
		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Forgot to add military spending. Is Mr./Ms. Conservative okay with how our government hands out money for the military?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Because we spend more than the next 14 countries combined on military — and yet conservatives traditionally think we don’t spend enough.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What about spending on the VA? How does Mr./Ms. Conservative feel about that? Because it’s a government health care system.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And what about Medicare? ditto, another government health care system.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or what about Social Security? we all pay taxes for this safety net, are they okay with seniors not having to live in cardboard boxes eating dog food?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What about NASA and NOAA? Could they not see the last several hurricanes coming? if they did, you can remind them we paid for the largest part of technology development which has gone into weather forecasting through these agencies. Heck, farmers are more efficient at crop planning because of these services; are they okay with having enough food to eat?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jeebus. “Conservative” has become synonymous with “moron.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgot to add military spending. Is Mr./Ms. Conservative okay with how our government hands out money for the military?</p>
<p>Because we spend more than the next 14 countries combined on military — and yet conservatives traditionally think we don’t spend enough.</p>
<p>What about spending on the VA? How does Mr./Ms. Conservative feel about that? Because it’s a government health care system.</p>
<p>And what about Medicare? ditto, another government health care system.</p>
<p>Or what about Social Security? we all pay taxes for this safety net, are they okay with seniors not having to live in cardboard boxes eating dog food?</p>
<p>What about NASA and NOAA? Could they not see the last several hurricanes coming? if they did, you can remind them we paid for the largest part of technology development which has gone into weather forecasting through these agencies. Heck, farmers are more efficient at crop planning because of these services; are they okay with having enough food to eat?</p>
<p>Jeebus. “Conservative” has become synonymous with “moron.”</p>
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		<title>By: oldtree</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/30/four-days-250000-cars/#comment-178235</link>
		<dc:creator>oldtree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Let’s try to get something straight;    the program was ridiculous to start with.  There is no benefit to anyone but the dealer selling the car.  The old car had no specific requirement to be a clunker, so trade in anything.  The dealer doesn’t care. How many of the cars turned in were in working order?  How many needed minor repairs to be functional, and not cause a huge amount of production cost in carbon, pollution, and waste?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If the gubment wanted to do something,  why not help the auto repair guys that are far more numerous than the dealers, and help everyone repair their existing cars to be less polluting,    make 50 times the effective vehicles covered under the program,  and help both citizens and workers.    No,  they gave the money to the lowest form of human garbage.  Car dealers.   Only real estate salespeople lie more.    They just don’t have the style that a car dealer has selling that bright shiny little pimple on their butt.&lt;br /&gt;
  the only people that benefitted are those that could get financing for a car.  Do you understand?   NO ONE that needs the money got it.&lt;br /&gt;
  Where in the hell are our priorities?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let’s try to get something straight;    the program was ridiculous to start with.  There is no benefit to anyone but the dealer selling the car.  The old car had no specific requirement to be a clunker, so trade in anything.  The dealer doesn’t care. How many of the cars turned in were in working order?  How many needed minor repairs to be functional, and not cause a huge amount of production cost in carbon, pollution, and waste?</p>
<p>If the gubment wanted to do something,  why not help the auto repair guys that are far more numerous than the dealers, and help everyone repair their existing cars to be less polluting,    make 50 times the effective vehicles covered under the program,  and help both citizens and workers.    No,  they gave the money to the lowest form of human garbage.  Car dealers.   Only real estate salespeople lie more.    They just don’t have the style that a car dealer has selling that bright shiny little pimple on their butt.<br />
  the only people that benefitted are those that could get financing for a car.  Do you understand?   NO ONE that needs the money got it.<br />
  Where in the hell are our priorities?</p>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
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		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 12:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Police patrols are a socialist enterprise&lt;br /&gt;
As are Fire Departments&lt;br /&gt;
Food and Drug Administration&lt;br /&gt;
Public Health departments (who distributed the polio vaccines back when)&lt;br /&gt;
Treasury Department (as in money, since in early years, individual banks would issue their own ‘money’)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s just a quick list from the top of the brain&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Police patrols are a socialist enterprise<br />
As are Fire Departments<br />
Food and Drug Administration<br />
Public Health departments (who distributed the polio vaccines back when)<br />
Treasury Department (as in money, since in early years, individual banks would issue their own ‘money’)</p>
<p>That’s just a quick list from the top of the brain</p>
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		<title>By: becca656</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/30/four-days-250000-cars/#comment-178218</link>
		<dc:creator>becca656</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 12:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Folks - I need your help.  I have a conservative colleague who is insisting and I quote:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Gee, the gov’t cannot figure out how to give away a billion dollars to people who want to buy cars ~ and *you* wanna hand over a bajillion kajillion dollar health care system to some phantom gov’t agency and it supposedly will be paid for by gov’t management?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s a dopey argument, to be sure.  I pointed out in rebuttal the 1/4 million low mpg cars off the highway, the 1/4 million new vehicles on the highway, the impact on the dealerships, the impact on the financing industry (because these folks probably needed new loans to make up the difference after the $ 4500).  There’s probably more arguments, but I’m running out of ‘em.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What I’m looking for from you lovely folks is:  how do I re-but the ‘no big government’ argument with this fool?  I’m looking for things like, as a consultant (as I am), he probably has to collect unemployment between gigs because of the nature of the business.  What other day-to-day things can I point out he benefits from on a daily business, thanks to ‘big government’?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks &#8211; I need your help.  I have a conservative colleague who is insisting and I quote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Gee, the gov’t cannot figure out how to give away a billion dollars to people who want to buy cars ~ and *you* wanna hand over a bajillion kajillion dollar health care system to some phantom gov’t agency and it supposedly will be paid for by gov’t management?</p>
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<p>It’s a dopey argument, to be sure.  I pointed out in rebuttal the 1/4 million low mpg cars off the highway, the 1/4 million new vehicles on the highway, the impact on the dealerships, the impact on the financing industry (because these folks probably needed new loans to make up the difference after the $ 4500).  There’s probably more arguments, but I’m running out of ‘em.</p>
<p>What I’m looking for from you lovely folks is:  how do I re-but the ‘no big government’ argument with this fool?  I’m looking for things like, as a consultant (as I am), he probably has to collect unemployment between gigs because of the nature of the business.  What other day-to-day things can I point out he benefits from on a daily business, thanks to ‘big government’?</p>
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		<title>By: randiego</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/30/four-days-250000-cars/#comment-178212</link>
		<dc:creator>randiego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 05:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nice ride… but that single seat behind the handlebars looks like a loo&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice ride… but that single seat behind the handlebars looks like a loo</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/30/four-days-250000-cars/#comment-178210</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 05:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, but since you have to trade up to better mileage,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.solarnavigator.net/images/yamaha_electric_rickshaw_powerhorse_302.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; this is what&lt;/a&gt; you are eligible to purchase.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but since you have to trade up to better mileage,<a href="http://www.solarnavigator.net/images/yamaha_electric_rickshaw_powerhorse_302.jpg" rel="nofollow"> this is what</a> you are eligible to purchase.</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/30/four-days-250000-cars/#comment-178209</link>
		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 05:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Way to win the PR war there, DiFi.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;May I just say to you all how sorry we Californians are for her?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hold on… Breaking… Boehner saying this is still more proof that health care reform efforts hurt seniors…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way to win the PR war there, DiFi.</p>
<p>May I just say to you all how sorry we Californians are for her?</p>
<p>Hold on… Breaking… Boehner saying this is still more proof that health care reform efforts hurt seniors…</p>
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