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		<title>By: mui1</title>
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		<dc:creator>mui1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 06:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But let’s be honest: this is all about a black guy getting on the side of another black guy who got crosswise with the cops. Why would he touch such a powder keg? Like it’s going to ignite at least one more battle in the late lamented Culture War.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is why I don’t read that blog.&lt;br /&gt;
A “culture war”.&lt;br /&gt;
Heavens! Isn’t that a phrase wingnuts like to use? Is it constructive to use their framing?&lt;br /&gt;
“late and lamented?”&lt;br /&gt;
WTF? Is this about wearing acid wash jeans v. not wearing acid wash?&lt;br /&gt;
“Why would he touch such a powder keg?”&lt;br /&gt;
Because due to our long sad American history, it already is a “powder keg.” If Obama were to ignore it, the problem would still exist. It doesn’t matter whether there is evidence of racial profiling. It became a civil rights issue the moment it hit the press. And the “guy” isn’t just a “guy”. He’s a Harvard professor, i.e. academia plus civil rights.&lt;br /&gt;
Think, think of a history and a time and a place where it didn’t matter if a person of color held a PHd or not; that person could still be arrested for walking down the same side of the street as a white woman. Collective memory, history touches off a nerve. So having a beer with the Prof. is much wiser than feigning ignorance.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>But let’s be honest: this is all about a black guy getting on the side of another black guy who got crosswise with the cops. Why would he touch such a powder keg? Like it’s going to ignite at least one more battle in the late lamented Culture War.</p>
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<p>This is why I don’t read that blog.<br />
A “culture war”.<br />
Heavens! Isn’t that a phrase wingnuts like to use? Is it constructive to use their framing?<br />
“late and lamented?”<br />
WTF? Is this about wearing acid wash jeans v. not wearing acid wash?<br />
“Why would he touch such a powder keg?”<br />
Because due to our long sad American history, it already is a “powder keg.” If Obama were to ignore it, the problem would still exist. It doesn’t matter whether there is evidence of racial profiling. It became a civil rights issue the moment it hit the press. And the “guy” isn’t just a “guy”. He’s a Harvard professor, i.e. academia plus civil rights.<br />
Think, think of a history and a time and a place where it didn’t matter if a person of color held a PHd or not; that person could still be arrested for walking down the same side of the street as a white woman. Collective memory, history touches off a nerve. So having a beer with the Prof. is much wiser than feigning ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: SomeGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>SomeGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 05:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The NYT has a new story which says the three may meet again for lunch soon. I doubt they will talk about the specifics of what happened that day, now that lawyers are involved. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They still could still do something worthwhile. There are many people who will listen to Prof. Gates but not Sgt. Crowley. The reverse is also true. Maybe they could find some general principles they agree with that would help both the public and Police.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One potential place for ideas on common ground comes from a unlikely source. The ACLU has a “bust card” you can print out and keep in your wallet. It is on the ACLU racial profiling page. It is called “Know Your Rights: What to do if you’re stopped by the Police”.  It tells what your rights are (including courteous and respectful Police treatment). What you should not do, and what and when to do something if your rights are violated.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here’s the “&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aclu.org/racialjustice/racialprofiling/15865res20040714.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ACLU bust card&lt;/a&gt;” link&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NYT has a new story which says the three may meet again for lunch soon. I doubt they will talk about the specifics of what happened that day, now that lawyers are involved. </p>
<p>They still could still do something worthwhile. There are many people who will listen to Prof. Gates but not Sgt. Crowley. The reverse is also true. Maybe they could find some general principles they agree with that would help both the public and Police.</p>
<p>One potential place for ideas on common ground comes from a unlikely source. The ACLU has a “bust card” you can print out and keep in your wallet. It is on the ACLU racial profiling page. It is called “Know Your Rights: What to do if you’re stopped by the Police”.  It tells what your rights are (including courteous and respectful Police treatment). What you should not do, and what and when to do something if your rights are violated.</p>
<p>Here’s the “<a href="http://www.aclu.org/racialjustice/racialprofiling/15865res20040714.html" rel="nofollow">ACLU bust card</a>” link</p>
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		<title>By: orionATL</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/29/this-bud-is-for-you-mental-midgets-of-the-media/#comment-178200</link>
		<dc:creator>orionATL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 03:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;petrocelli @93&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the problem in our society today is that things get turned upside down routinely. what should be done does not get done; what should never be done gets condoned.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the gates case is a case where a citizen was treated unjustly by a police officer.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;perverse result: the police officer becomes some sort of victim and the (wrongly) arrested citizen becomes irrelevant to the discussion of the issue.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;justice has not only not been done, but has been prospectively undone.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the summary of what actually happened is :&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;crowley arrests gates, misusing his peace powers to do so. the prez says crowley’s behavior is “stupid”. shortly, the media response reports crowley’s and generally police “distress” at being so reprimanded. subsequently, our prez hurries to say he supports crowley, indicating he “understands” police behavior in general.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;subsequently, obvious questions to the sarge such as:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;- “why did you write in your report that there were two black men with back packs trying to enter the house when neither blacks nor backpacks had ever been mentioned to you or to the dispatcher?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;- why did you say to the dispatcher “keep the cars coming”? for what were they supposed to “keep coming”? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;are not asked by the media.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;so where are we ?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;well, an serious injustice was done prof gates. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but, &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;there will likely be no accounting for the police behavior, including crowley’s misbehavior.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;obama, of course, could have asked for a justice dept investigation into civil rights abuses.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;instead he asked the guys to join him for a beer.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;remember,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;this is the prez who represented himself as representing a very poor section of chicago society, &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;who never seems to have been able to bring himself to make waves, as saul alinsky would have done, in order to assist that down and out section of chicago citizenry.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>petrocelli @93</p>
<p>the problem in our society today is that things get turned upside down routinely. what should be done does not get done; what should never be done gets condoned.</p>
<p>the gates case is a case where a citizen was treated unjustly by a police officer.</p>
<p>perverse result: the police officer becomes some sort of victim and the (wrongly) arrested citizen becomes irrelevant to the discussion of the issue.</p>
<p>justice has not only not been done, but has been prospectively undone.</p>
<p>the summary of what actually happened is :</p>
<p>crowley arrests gates, misusing his peace powers to do so. the prez says crowley’s behavior is “stupid”. shortly, the media response reports crowley’s and generally police “distress” at being so reprimanded. subsequently, our prez hurries to say he supports crowley, indicating he “understands” police behavior in general.</p>
<p>subsequently, obvious questions to the sarge such as:</p>
<p>- “why did you write in your report that there were two black men with back packs trying to enter the house when neither blacks nor backpacks had ever been mentioned to you or to the dispatcher?</p>
<p>and </p>
<p>- why did you say to the dispatcher “keep the cars coming”? for what were they supposed to “keep coming”? </p>
<p>are not asked by the media.</p>
<p>so where are we ?</p>
<p>well, an serious injustice was done prof gates. </p>
<p>but, </p>
<p>there will likely be no accounting for the police behavior, including crowley’s misbehavior.</p>
<p>obama, of course, could have asked for a justice dept investigation into civil rights abuses.</p>
<p>instead he asked the guys to join him for a beer.</p>
<p>remember,</p>
<p>this is the prez who represented himself as representing a very poor section of chicago society, </p>
<p>but </p>
<p>who never seems to have been able to bring himself to make waves, as saul alinsky would have done, in order to assist that down and out section of chicago citizenry.</p>
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		<title>By: sagesse</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/29/this-bud-is-for-you-mental-midgets-of-the-media/#comment-178199</link>
		<dc:creator>sagesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 03:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You know, Crowley’s vice to me on the radio and media airwaves afterwards just sounded so over-the-top sincere innocent cop  - that I think it was staged from the get-go. He did what he did knowing full well Gates was Gates. Isn’t it very, very likely that he KNEW what Gates looked like long before this - lie maybe back when the PBS program aired - or before.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, Crowley’s vice to me on the radio and media airwaves afterwards just sounded so over-the-top sincere innocent cop  &#8211; that I think it was staged from the get-go. He did what he did knowing full well Gates was Gates. Isn’t it very, very likely that he KNEW what Gates looked like long before this &#8211; lie maybe back when the PBS program aired &#8211; or before.</p>
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		<title>By: Petrocelli</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/29/this-bud-is-for-you-mental-midgets-of-the-media/#comment-178178</link>
		<dc:creator>Petrocelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 02:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Of course in all of this, the MSM manage to look even worse …&lt;em&gt; “&lt;strong&gt;Clockwise&lt;/strong&gt;, they sat around the round, white table in this order: Obama, Crowley, Gates, Biden.”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;WTF were the drinkin’/smokin’ ? Clockwise they sat Obama, Biden, Gates &amp; Crowley … the MSM is just so used to reporting the opposite of reality !&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course in all of this, the MSM manage to look even worse …<em> “<strong>Clockwise</strong>, they sat around the round, white table in this order: Obama, Crowley, Gates, Biden.”</em></p>
<p>WTF were the drinkin’/smokin’ ? Clockwise they sat Obama, Biden, Gates &amp; Crowley … the MSM is just so used to reporting the opposite of reality !</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 01:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Irrelevant as of the instant he has confirmation that it is Gates and Gates’ house, which he gets very early on if you listen to the com tape released.  At that point, Crowley just needs to leave.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irrelevant as of the instant he has confirmation that it is Gates and Gates’ house, which he gets very early on if you listen to the com tape released.  At that point, Crowley just needs to leave.</p>
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		<title>By: esseff44</title>
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		<dc:creator>esseff44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 01:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I couldn’t hear the questions at the Whalen press conference, but there were a lot her lawyer didn’t want her to respond to.  She and the elderly woman must have seen the driver leave. In her call, she tell 911 that both men are still in the house.  How many men is Sgt. Crowley looking for when he goes in?  When Gates will not answer when asked about someone else being in the house, what is he supposed to do? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am in agreement with the overreaction on Sgt. Crowley’s part, but with the information that he has, it could have been a hostage scenario, or the kind of robbery we have here a lot where older people are followed to their door and  pushed inside and robbed.  How does he clear that up before he leaves?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn’t hear the questions at the Whalen press conference, but there were a lot her lawyer didn’t want her to respond to.  She and the elderly woman must have seen the driver leave. In her call, she tell 911 that both men are still in the house.  How many men is Sgt. Crowley looking for when he goes in?  When Gates will not answer when asked about someone else being in the house, what is he supposed to do? </p>
<p>I am in agreement with the overreaction on Sgt. Crowley’s part, but with the information that he has, it could have been a hostage scenario, or the kind of robbery we have here a lot where older people are followed to their door and  pushed inside and robbed.  How does he clear that up before he leaves?</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 01:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That is &lt;em&gt;exactly&lt;/em&gt; what is just killing me here.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is <em>exactly</em> what is just killing me here.</p>
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		<title>By: orionATL</title>
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		<dc:creator>orionATL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 01:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;bmaz @73&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i have been working all day, but this matter has been eating at me all day, too. i can’t get it out of my mind; the sense of injustice done on mul;tiple fronts is  too strong,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i have gone back and forth about what to say here and how severely. coming here in the evening i find that bmaz has concisely articulated my feelings, though a great deal more politely than i would have:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;bmaz wrote:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; [ bmaz July 30th, 2009 at 4:21 pm 73&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In response to KayInMaine @ 72 (show text) &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Obama has comported himself disgracefully in this matter, and this “beer summit” is an asinine dog and pony show of the highest order. Not to mention, the real “teaching moment” is at root the abuse of police power and false arrest, not race.]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;that’s the nub - abuse of police power.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;in my view, use of police power granted to crowley for the purpose of protecting society used instead by crowley for his personal benefit - to subjugate and humiliate gates.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;this is entirely analogous to the serge taking out the metal screen between the front and back seats of his cruiser, loading in the family, the family in that cruiser, and heading down to washington for a week of family sightseeing. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;so what’s the score after all this hooha?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the real culprit - abuse of police powers for personal benefit -&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;is still at large.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;not only that,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but the prez’s pointless intervention may prove instrumental in helping sgt crowley avoid a lawsuit that would have cost his department and himself a bundle and put the rest of the constabulary on notice about making “personal” extensions of their policing powers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;thanks to our soft, soft prez, that lawsuit is now much less likely to happen.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bmaz @73</p>
<p>i have been working all day, but this matter has been eating at me all day, too. i can’t get it out of my mind; the sense of injustice done on mul;tiple fronts is  too strong,</p>
<p>i have gone back and forth about what to say here and how severely. coming here in the evening i find that bmaz has concisely articulated my feelings, though a great deal more politely than i would have:</p>
<p>bmaz wrote:</p>
<p> [ bmaz July 30th, 2009 at 4:21 pm 73</p>
<p>In response to KayInMaine @ 72 (show text) </p>
<p>Obama has comported himself disgracefully in this matter, and this “beer summit” is an asinine dog and pony show of the highest order. Not to mention, the real “teaching moment” is at root the abuse of police power and false arrest, not race.]</p>
<p>that’s the nub &#8211; abuse of police power.</p>
<p>in my view, use of police power granted to crowley for the purpose of protecting society used instead by crowley for his personal benefit &#8211; to subjugate and humiliate gates.</p>
<p>this is entirely analogous to the serge taking out the metal screen between the front and back seats of his cruiser, loading in the family, the family in that cruiser, and heading down to washington for a week of family sightseeing. </p>
<p>so what’s the score after all this hooha?</p>
<p>the real culprit &#8211; abuse of police powers for personal benefit -</p>
<p>is still at large.</p>
<p>not only that,</p>
<p>but the prez’s pointless intervention may prove instrumental in helping sgt crowley avoid a lawsuit that would have cost his department and himself a bundle and put the rest of the constabulary on notice about making “personal” extensions of their policing powers.</p>
<p>thanks to our soft, soft prez, that lawsuit is now much less likely to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 01:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good question, no clue.  Probably a lot.  I have seen a lot in courtrooms while I was waiting around for my case to be called that clearly should have been and were not though.  Problem is most people don’t know the law, can’t afford a lawyer and just plow along.  But even where the charges are dropped, even quickly, there are deleterious consequences.  You get formally arrested, prints entered into the system, may have spent some time in a holding cell and there is an “arrest” on your record, as well as an entry in police databases that can affect future encounters.  It is just wrong.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And @86 - thanks for responding, I was curious.  Yeah, but the cops were covering their ass as much as they could in the report and that isn’t there.  Also, the interview of Whalen I saw seemed pretty clear that neither she not the other lady had substantive contact with Crowley or anyone else from the PD it seemed.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question, no clue.  Probably a lot.  I have seen a lot in courtrooms while I was waiting around for my case to be called that clearly should have been and were not though.  Problem is most people don’t know the law, can’t afford a lawyer and just plow along.  But even where the charges are dropped, even quickly, there are deleterious consequences.  You get formally arrested, prints entered into the system, may have spent some time in a holding cell and there is an “arrest” on your record, as well as an entry in police databases that can affect future encounters.  It is just wrong.</p>
<p>And @86 &#8211; thanks for responding, I was curious.  Yeah, but the cops were covering their ass as much as they could in the report and that isn’t there.  Also, the interview of Whalen I saw seemed pretty clear that neither she not the other lady had substantive contact with Crowley or anyone else from the PD it seemed.</p>
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