Comments on: Madni’s Coffin Flight Rendition http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/28/coffin-flight/ Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:48:32 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Jeff Kaye http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/28/coffin-flight/#comment-178076 Jeff Kaye Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:46:21 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/28/coffin-flight/#comment-178076 <p>Unfortunately, the judge <a href="http://www.aclu.org/pdfs/safefree/sakibachavobama_order.pdf" rel="nofollow">did stick</a> with the congressionally mandated wait period.</p> Unfortunately, the judge did stick with the congressionally mandated wait period.

]]> By: MarkH http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/28/coffin-flight/#comment-177930 MarkH Thu, 30 Jul 2009 06:23:25 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/28/coffin-flight/#comment-177930 <p>Unlawful combatant is pretty much the best we’ve got when the ‘enemy’ isn’t art of a government’s military and wore a uniform. Apparently our laws were ill-prepared for dealing with non-government sponsored fighting units/people.</p> Unlawful combatant is pretty much the best we’ve got when the ‘enemy’ isn’t art of a government’s military and wore a uniform. Apparently our laws were ill-prepared for dealing with non-government sponsored fighting units/people.

]]> By: MarkH http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/28/coffin-flight/#comment-177929 MarkH Thu, 30 Jul 2009 06:20:56 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/28/coffin-flight/#comment-177929 <p>I read about that when it first came out. I can’t see how hiding their records can be allowed if it isn’t their judicial behavior that’s in question. If the records are used to show their non-judicial behavior of accepting bribes, then what’s the problem?</p> I read about that when it first came out. I can’t see how hiding their records can be allowed if it isn’t their judicial behavior that’s in question. If the records are used to show their non-judicial behavior of accepting bribes, then what’s the problem?

]]> By: MarkH http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/28/coffin-flight/#comment-177928 MarkH Thu, 30 Jul 2009 06:14:15 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/28/coffin-flight/#comment-177928 <p>Hitler’s gang would laugh at the Bushies.</p> Hitler’s gang would laugh at the Bushies.

]]> By: bmaz http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/28/coffin-flight/#comment-177915 bmaz Thu, 30 Jul 2009 04:24:05 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/28/coffin-flight/#comment-177915 <p>Heh, Huvelle may not think so much about their little 22 day delay. Absent a Constitutional procedural defect that can be cured by the government, the general rule is that a successful Habeas petitioner is entitled to release forthwith - i.e. immediately. It is a Constitutional remedy within the purview of the court. The court just may call their bluff here.</p> Heh, Huvelle may not think so much about their little 22 day delay. Absent a Constitutional procedural defect that can be cured by the government, the general rule is that a successful Habeas petitioner is entitled to release forthwith – i.e. immediately. It is a Constitutional remedy within the purview of the court. The court just may call their bluff here.

]]> By: Jeff Kaye http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/28/coffin-flight/#comment-177909 Jeff Kaye Thu, 30 Jul 2009 03:56:44 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/28/coffin-flight/#comment-177909 <p>All good points, MadDog, and a big thanks to bmaz for posting this article. </p> <p>I only want to update the Jawad story, as <a href="http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/72701.html" rel="nofollow">Marisa Taylor at McClatchy</a> has an article today that claims the govt. will release Jawad after a prescribed waiting period which Congress mandated in their recent legislation attached to the supplemental Defense spending bill:</p> <blockquote><p>Justice Department spokeswoman Tracy Schmaler said the department’s handling of the Jawad case showed that the administration has “made a dramatic break with the policies of the past by rejecting the use of torture without exception or equivocation”….</p> <p>Jawad’s lawyers with the American Civil Liberties Union said that while they’re hopeful that their client will be sent home soon, they think the government should move more quickly.</p> <p>“We’re cautiously optimistic that they appear closer to recognizing that Mr. Jawad needs to be sent home as soon as possible,” said Jonathan Hafetz, a lawyer with the ACLU’s National Security Project. “We remain concerned by some of the arguments they make with regards to the court’s power to order an immediate remedy”….</p> <p>If he’s released, Jawad would be the first detainee transferred from Guantanamo since Congress imposed new restrictions on the Obama administration intended to make sure Congress is notified in advance of any plans either to bring Guantanamo detainees to the U.S. for trial or to send them to another country.</p> <p>Under those limits, passed as part of a supplemental Defense spending bill, Congress must be told 45 days in advance of any plans to bring a detainee to the U.S. for trial and 15 days in advance of plans to send a detainee, such as Jawad, to another country.</p></blockquote> <p>On a related note, thinking of the recent exposures about <a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2009/7/28/broadcast_exclusive_declassified_docs_reveal_military" rel="nofollow">police-military</a> spying at burgeoning “fusion” centers, shredding posse comitatus, total lack of accountability for torture, public indifference and ignorance about ongoing mistreatment of prisoners through Appendix M-type protocols (AFM), war everlasting in Afghanistan, the ongoing occupation of Iraq, the economic rape of America, the cowardice and parliamentary cretinism of the so-called progressive party in this country, etc., one must pause and ponder, and, if there is an ounce of sense left after escaping the inanities of everyday television and the press, wonder if the world isn’t entirely mad. I know I’m not insane.</p> <p>Yossarian and Huck and I just may light out for the territories (wherever they might be), because there isn’t enough Mylanta in the world to keep the gorge down.</p> All good points, MadDog, and a big thanks to bmaz for posting this article.

I only want to update the Jawad story, as Marisa Taylor at McClatchy has an article today that claims the govt. will release Jawad after a prescribed waiting period which Congress mandated in their recent legislation attached to the supplemental Defense spending bill:

Justice Department spokeswoman Tracy Schmaler said the department’s handling of the Jawad case showed that the administration has “made a dramatic break with the policies of the past by rejecting the use of torture without exception or equivocation”….

Jawad’s lawyers with the American Civil Liberties Union said that while they’re hopeful that their client will be sent home soon, they think the government should move more quickly.

“We’re cautiously optimistic that they appear closer to recognizing that Mr. Jawad needs to be sent home as soon as possible,” said Jonathan Hafetz, a lawyer with the ACLU’s National Security Project. “We remain concerned by some of the arguments they make with regards to the court’s power to order an immediate remedy”….

If he’s released, Jawad would be the first detainee transferred from Guantanamo since Congress imposed new restrictions on the Obama administration intended to make sure Congress is notified in advance of any plans either to bring Guantanamo detainees to the U.S. for trial or to send them to another country.

Under those limits, passed as part of a supplemental Defense spending bill, Congress must be told 45 days in advance of any plans to bring a detainee to the U.S. for trial and 15 days in advance of plans to send a detainee, such as Jawad, to another country.

On a related note, thinking of the recent exposures about police-military spying at burgeoning “fusion” centers, shredding posse comitatus, total lack of accountability for torture, public indifference and ignorance about ongoing mistreatment of prisoners through Appendix M-type protocols (AFM), war everlasting in Afghanistan, the ongoing occupation of Iraq, the economic rape of America, the cowardice and parliamentary cretinism of the so-called progressive party in this country, etc., one must pause and ponder, and, if there is an ounce of sense left after escaping the inanities of everyday television and the press, wonder if the world isn’t entirely mad. I know I’m not insane.

Yossarian and Huck and I just may light out for the territories (wherever they might be), because there isn’t enough Mylanta in the world to keep the gorge down.

]]> By: Blub http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/28/coffin-flight/#comment-177894 Blub Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:38:09 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/28/coffin-flight/#comment-177894 <p>I’d really like to see one of these torture invitations: “Dear Uzbek Generalissimo, We are pleased to extend an invitation to you to interrogate an Uzbek insurgent we have on our custody. Our State Department will expedite visas for your select intelligence personnel to come to our secret prison and interview your national. Please let us know what equipment your<br /> secret policemen will require to help you facilitate the cooperation of your interviewee. We politely request that your personnel avoid killing the interviewee or otherwise irrevocably remove any limbs or vital organs.” Did they have to sign any disclaimer forms?</p> I’d really like to see one of these torture invitations: “Dear Uzbek Generalissimo, We are pleased to extend an invitation to you to interrogate an Uzbek insurgent we have on our custody. Our State Department will expedite visas for your select intelligence personnel to come to our secret prison and interview your national. Please let us know what equipment your
secret policemen will require to help you facilitate the cooperation of your interviewee. We politely request that your personnel avoid killing the interviewee or otherwise irrevocably remove any limbs or vital organs.” Did they have to sign any disclaimer forms?

]]> By: Blub http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/28/coffin-flight/#comment-177892 Blub Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:23:21 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/28/coffin-flight/#comment-177892 <p>well, that AND the actual bloodcurdling torture that preceeded and followed the coffin boxing.</p> well, that AND the actual bloodcurdling torture that preceeded and followed the coffin boxing.

]]> By: eCAHNomics http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/28/coffin-flight/#comment-177879 eCAHNomics Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:52:29 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/28/coffin-flight/#comment-177879 <p>Sad history of Diego Garcia <a href="http://antiwar.com/radio/2009/07/25/david-vine/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. U.S. & U.K. always play legal deniability because of the unusual arrangement of it’s being officially U.K. territory, but no Brits are actually there. Completely U.S. naval base. In the late 1960s, U.S. made U.K. kick out the 5000 residents of the Chagos archipeligo, without compensation, move them 1200 miles away to Seychelles with no resources to start their lives over. Their law suits against the U.S. or U.K. have been thwarted at every turn, claiming that the court has no standing or soverign immunity. Quite a story.</p> Sad history of Diego Garcia here. U.S. & U.K. always play legal deniability because of the unusual arrangement of it’s being officially U.K. territory, but no Brits are actually there. Completely U.S. naval base. In the late 1960s, U.S. made U.K. kick out the 5000 residents of the Chagos archipeligo, without compensation, move them 1200 miles away to Seychelles with no resources to start their lives over. Their law suits against the U.S. or U.K. have been thwarted at every turn, claiming that the court has no standing or soverign immunity. Quite a story.

]]> By: fatster http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/28/coffin-flight/#comment-177828 fatster Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:39:40 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/28/coffin-flight/#comment-177828 <p>I grieve too, Mary. And not just for the suffering inflicted purposefully and viciously on so many who had little or nothing of value to disclose, but that these things were done in our name. And the perpetrators at the top who set these horrors in motion, apparently, will not be held accountable. It is unbelievable.</p> I grieve too, Mary. And not just for the suffering inflicted purposefully and viciously on so many who had little or nothing of value to disclose, but that these things were done in our name. And the perpetrators at the top who set these horrors in motion, apparently, will not be held accountable. It is unbelievable.

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