Comments on: One Former Official Ready to Bust Others for Torture

By: Nell

Nell — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 15:52:23 +0000

Thank you for Grainger’s name.

The name is Charles Graner.

By: Rayne

Rayne — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:09:32 +0000

VoIP in 2002 if good (and our perception of good has changed a lot) was not a commercially available enterprise product. I worked as a project manager for one of the largest IT consulting firms at the time; the corporation lost beaucoup dollars trying to install a corporate system because it simply wasn’t ripe for the environment. The same consultancy also sold the U.S. military systems which were major money losers and not what one would call successes.

By: libbyliberal

libbyliberal — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 01:15:44 +0000

This was kicking the shit out of the little guy if I’ve ever seen that scenario in my life.

So clearly, powerful interests want the lid heavily on this mess.

It’s my view they screwed over so many people that it’s not possible to keep the lid on indefinitely.

Thank you for Grainger’s name. And for Darby. We should remember their names. Muntadher al-Zaidi the shoe thrower, what became of him. And for Alyssa Peterson re torture fiasco and the opaque consequences of her tragedy. Sybil Edmonds.

People who suffer because the layer above them is so corrupt it cannot aid them or reward them for their sense of integrity.

Insane screw-overs as you say. But the truth will out … but wheels of justice are truly glacial.

By: readerOfTeaLeaves

readerOfTeaLeaves — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:54:26 +0000

Isn’t there one lone Abu Ghraib guard serving time for that fiasco right now?

Grainger. I believe he has a number of years left in his sentence.

And from recent information it sounds as if he’d received accolades for his ‘work’ at Abu Gharib, so HE thought that he was doing a good job.

If it’s true that Darby (who put the photo CD under the door of someone who could get it out to the world) is in a federal witness protection program, shouldn’t we wonder who he’s having to hide from?

This was kicking the shit out of the little guy if I’ve ever seen that scenario in my life.

Karpinski’s the only one that I’ve ever seen stand up for her soldiers. And Gen Taguba (who has several Masters Degrees and according to a New Yorker profile sounds like a really hard working individual dedicated to the military) was practically sent out to pasture after his report turned up questions about ‘upper management’ and the extent of the abuse.

So clearly, powerful interests want the lid heavily on this mess.
It’s my view they screwed over so many people that it’s not possible to keep the lid on indefinitely.

By: readerOfTeaLeaves

readerOfTeaLeaves — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:48:39 +0000

FOIA the IMs?
I wonder whether the EFF has done that?

I recall someone showing me what I’m quite sure was good VoIP in 2000 so think it was viable then.

By: libbyliberal

libbyliberal — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:44:18 +0000

Isn’t there one lone Abu Ghraib guard serving time for that fiasco right now? Not that he is not guilty, but low person on the totem. And no outrage for that. They said Bernie Madoff was nailed so solidly because he stole not only from the poor but the RICH … he betrayed cronyism. Oy vey.

By: libbyliberal

libbyliberal — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:41:13 +0000

Ever see the movie The Little Drummer Girl with Dianne Keaton? Jewish torture seriously spelled out there, and the I/P conflict violence. Very provocative movie and Keaton represents the obtuse “outsider” meddling within. A bit like the role played by Brendan Fraser (narcissistic America) in the Quiet American with Michael Caine.

By: Rayne

Rayne — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:56:59 +0000

Damn…now I recall there were changes to SarbOx which changed the way IMs were treated, forcing changes to IM platforms. Happened sometime between 2003 and 2005 (well post Enron/Worldcom/Tyco), but something did happen, remember seeing a lot more buzz in IT industry news outlets about compliance.

In tandem with this change was a federal code change.

Wonder if the code means we could try to FOIA the IMs??

By: outsider26

outsider26 — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:34:35 +0000

“You’ve got it all wrong,” the detainee told one interrogator in May 2002, according to a former intelligence official with access to sensitive records. Abu Zubaida said that al-Qaeda had been surprised at the devastating efficacy of the Sept. 11 attacks and that any plans for future attacks were mere aspirations.

Not trying to add to the conspiracy theory, but why was AQ so surprised?

By: Rayne

Rayne — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:43:10 +0000

Agh, got to really wonder if this was something much older and more stable, like a UNIX system, especially since there were so many different and competing protocols for IM at the time.

Wish we had somebody with background in gov telecom here to hash this out.