Comments on: Working Thread on Warrantless Wiretapping IG Report

By: fatster

fatster — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 22:33:05 +0000

Not the same according to wiki. (This is the same wiki that led a couple of us off on a “paineful” experience not too long ago. Plus, this entry for Baker is one of those needing “disambiguation.” So, get yr salt shaker.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_A._Baker_(government_attorney)

James Baker, consigliere to the BFFE, was born in 1930, so not quite as old as you thought. I think he’s still lawyer for the Carlyle Group, and I believe Poppy had him kick around in the WH for awhile to help Junior (who he helped get elected, anyway). His wiki entry looks pretty decent.

I’m not sure these are the type of people who get paychecks anyway, but I”ll bet JAB III is hauling in lots of riches for all his loyal work for the Bushies.

By: readerOfTeaLeaves

readerOfTeaLeaves — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:09:30 +0000

Almost certainly a different ‘James Baker’; the Bush consigliere is now in his 80s and probably hasn’t worked for a paycheck in decades.

By: readerOfTeaLeaves

readerOfTeaLeaves — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:02:58 +0000

And just to note that Libby was at that time Cheney’s right hand man. Surprise, surprise.

And Feith was over at DoD, along with Cambone and the rest of the neocon ideologues.

Abramoff was raising money like a bandit, and Delay was ‘the Hammer’ cowing the House of Reps, while Frist and Lott were running the Senate. IIRC, Phil Gramm was still running the Senate Banking Committee.

By: carolbeth

carolbeth — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:46:07 +0000

Isn’t he the bush Family Consigliere?

By: rikkidoglake

rikkidoglake — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 00:16:12 +0000

A few possibilities:

http://www.instantocr.com/inde.....;Itemid=18

http://ocrterminal.com/

Perhaps the Webmaster could post an address to e-mail the OCR’d document if anyone succeeds in doing so?

By: readerOfTeaLeaves

readerOfTeaLeaves — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:30:22 +0000

Yup.

By: bobschacht

bobschacht — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:08:32 +0000

BTW, folks, “Presidential Surveillance Program” is not yet in the Wikipedia, and under that precise name did not come up in my Google search an hour or two ago. You can achieve fame and acclamation by writing up the first Wiki article on this! But if you’ve never written a Wikipedia article before, be prepared to jump through the hoops.

Bob in HI

By: Jesterfox

Jesterfox — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:00:45 +0000

Done. I’ve been holding back because I didn’t want to add to a balance on a card I’m trying to pay off, but I have added my bit to the cause.

By: Jesterfox

Jesterfox — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:44:59 +0000

Reasonableness is not the standard. It is part of the why predicating the standard. The standard is that warrants are required. There are exceptions, certainly, but the amendment is about protecting us from the government’s intrusive powers.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

By: fatster

fatster — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:39:38 +0000

You nailed that one!