Comments on: Obama and Gang of Eight Veto Threat: “Fundamental Compact” My Ass http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/08/obama-and-gang-of-eight-veto-threat-fundamental-compact-my-ass/ Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:47:05 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: greenhouse http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/08/obama-and-gang-of-eight-veto-threat-fundamental-compact-my-ass/comment-page-1/#comment-171712 greenhouse Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:36:21 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/08/obama-and-gang-of-eight-veto-threat-fundamental-compact-my-ass/#comment-171712 <p>Jodi, is that you?</p> Jodi, is that you?

]]> By: Mauimom http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/08/obama-and-gang-of-eight-veto-threat-fundamental-compact-my-ass/comment-page-1/#comment-171366 Mauimom Thu, 09 Jul 2009 04:47:15 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/08/obama-and-gang-of-eight-veto-threat-fundamental-compact-my-ass/#comment-171366 <blockquote><p>Back before the election I signed up for e-mails from the Obama campaign. Got one today, asking that I work to “stop the Obama smear campaign”</p></blockquote> <p>I hope you wrote back with some choice words.</p> <p>They make it hard to “reply” to their e-mails: choices always seem to be “I’ll give this much, no, I’ll give <em>this</em> much.” But I take a little time and hunt around for an address & give ‘em an earful.</p> <p>Not too long a rant — after all, it’s just some grum in the basement who’s reading these things — but enough to let ‘em know that although I <strong>got</strong> on their mailing list, they’re no longer my Valentine.</p>

Back before the election I signed up for e-mails from the Obama campaign. Got one today, asking that I work to “stop the Obama smear campaign”

I hope you wrote back with some choice words.

They make it hard to “reply” to their e-mails: choices always seem to be “I’ll give this much, no, I’ll give this much.” But I take a little time and hunt around for an address & give ‘em an earful.

Not too long a rant — after all, it’s just some grum in the basement who’s reading these things — but enough to let ‘em know that although I got on their mailing list, they’re no longer my Valentine.

]]> By: esseff44 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/08/obama-and-gang-of-eight-veto-threat-fundamental-compact-my-ass/comment-page-1/#comment-171289 esseff44 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 01:35:57 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/08/obama-and-gang-of-eight-veto-threat-fundamental-compact-my-ass/#comment-171289 <p>Here’s a link to the testimony of Lt. Col. Darrel Vandeveld as part of a panel before the House Judiciary subcommittee about the Military Commissions System.</p> <p><a href="http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/pdf/Vandeveld090708.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://judiciary.house.gov/hea…..090708.pdf</a></p> <p>He criticizes Pres. Obama for his stance on using this broken system, on using coerced testimony, on allowing hearsay, and indefinite detention. I hope everyone will pass this around if they haven’t already. </p> <p>It is even more disappointing because Constitutional Law was supposed to be Obama’s area of expertise. He, more than most, should know better and that, as Vandeveld said, even if you do manage to get convictions under these conditions, they will eventually be overturned by the Supreme Court.</p> Here’s a link to the testimony of Lt. Col. Darrel Vandeveld as part of a panel before the House Judiciary subcommittee about the Military Commissions System.

http://judiciary.house.gov/hea…..090708.pdf

He criticizes Pres. Obama for his stance on using this broken system, on using coerced testimony, on allowing hearsay, and indefinite detention. I hope everyone will pass this around if they haven’t already.

It is even more disappointing because Constitutional Law was supposed to be Obama’s area of expertise. He, more than most, should know better and that, as Vandeveld said, even if you do manage to get convictions under these conditions, they will eventually be overturned by the Supreme Court.

]]> By: prostratedragon http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/08/obama-and-gang-of-eight-veto-threat-fundamental-compact-my-ass/comment-page-1/#comment-171275 prostratedragon Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:50:01 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/08/obama-and-gang-of-eight-veto-threat-fundamental-compact-my-ass/#comment-171275 <p>…</p> …

]]> By: prostratedragon http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/08/obama-and-gang-of-eight-veto-threat-fundamental-compact-my-ass/comment-page-1/#comment-171272 prostratedragon Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:42:03 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/08/obama-and-gang-of-eight-veto-threat-fundamental-compact-my-ass/#comment-171272 <p><a href="http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/church/reports/contents.htm" rel="nofollow">Durn North Koreans!</a> (A wouldbe link to a large collection of Church and Rockefeller Committee docs)</p> <p>Meanwhile,</p> <p><a href="http://foia.state.gov/Reports/ChurchReport.asp" rel="nofollow">Covert Action in Chile</a>, a Church report release by FOIA to the State Dept.</p> Durn North Koreans! (A wouldbe link to a large collection of Church and Rockefeller Committee docs)

Meanwhile,

Covert Action in Chile, a Church report release by FOIA to the State Dept.

]]> By: fatster http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/08/obama-and-gang-of-eight-veto-threat-fundamental-compact-my-ass/comment-page-1/#comment-171269 fatster Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:39:02 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/08/obama-and-gang-of-eight-veto-threat-fundamental-compact-my-ass/#comment-171269 <p>It’s a problem seeking a place to hide.</p> It’s a problem seeking a place to hide.

]]> By: orionATL http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/08/obama-and-gang-of-eight-veto-threat-fundamental-compact-my-ass/comment-page-1/#comment-171266 orionATL Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:33:40 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/08/obama-and-gang-of-eight-veto-threat-fundamental-compact-my-ass/#comment-171266 <p>jeff <a href="mailto:kaye@46" rel="nofollow">kaye@46</a></p> <p>thanks, jeff.</p> <p>lord how our press fails to inform us!</p> <p>thank god for the internet.</p> <p>it worked for the russians people in the 90’s: sort of works for the chinese people these days.</p> <p>maybe it can work for the american people against the slowly building force of an unhindered, unsupervised president.</p> jeff kaye@46

thanks, jeff.

lord how our press fails to inform us!

thank god for the internet.

it worked for the russians people in the 90’s: sort of works for the chinese people these days.

maybe it can work for the american people against the slowly building force of an unhindered, unsupervised president.

]]> By: Leen http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/08/obama-and-gang-of-eight-veto-threat-fundamental-compact-my-ass/comment-page-1/#comment-171254 Leen Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:06:39 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/08/obama-and-gang-of-eight-veto-threat-fundamental-compact-my-ass/#comment-171254 <p>“and they must”</p> “and they must”

]]> By: Hmmm http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/08/obama-and-gang-of-eight-veto-threat-fundamental-compact-my-ass/comment-page-1/#comment-171252 Hmmm Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:05:23 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/08/obama-and-gang-of-eight-veto-threat-fundamental-compact-my-ass/#comment-171252 <p>Well, it ain’t a new band twice as good as Gang of Four, if that’s any hint.</p> Well, it ain’t a new band twice as good as Gang of Four, if that’s any hint.

]]> By: kyeo http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/08/obama-and-gang-of-eight-veto-threat-fundamental-compact-my-ass/comment-page-1/#comment-171247 kyeo Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:01:13 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/07/08/obama-and-gang-of-eight-veto-threat-fundamental-compact-my-ass/#comment-171247 <p>What’s the Gang of Eight?</p> What’s the Gang of Eight?

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