Nice job folks.

love, Gracie’s former nanny.

redfish, when did I ever attack Obama “like he was the reincarnation of evil”? Show me, and I’ll apologize. And if you can’t show me, you might want to do the same.

Why might you want to? Well, you come here to discuss things. If you wish to dispute what I say, you really have to speak to what I say (not because it’s brilliant or even interesting, but because it’s what I said).

Obama, whom I admire and respect, is the one who said it best: he said that people in power don’t just do what you want, you have to fight for what you want (or words to that effect). I want accusations of torture to be addressed in forthright ways, and in the appropriate fora. This also happens to be the subject of the post, which is why I’m contributing to this thread.

By the way, a “rogue state,” as I understand it, is one that wages wars whenever it feels like waging a war, whatever the pretext, whatever the nominal grounds. And how do you understand the term?

As someone who has only voted Democratic Party twice in my life, let me assure you: you haven’t a clue what you are talking about. It took three weeks of Dick/Liz being on the Teevees 24/7 selling their tripe unchallenged to move public opinion on this issue even within the 50-50 range – in polling that stilts the framing of questions (”If you knew ‘harsh interrogation’ would save your children, money and puppies from imminent death would you support it?”). Americans don’t like torture, and overwhelmingly want to see past torture prosecuted. Sorry it’s inconvenient for Obama, but he’s reducing his own stature by playing the games he is playing.

This doesn’t have anything to do with revenge – I didn’t even vote for Gore in 2000. Many of us who don’t support the entire “left agenda” are counting on the lefties kicking some ass and not backing down. That’s why we independents and centrist republicans gave democrats power. If we wanted torture cover ups, ambiguity in detention policy, state secrets expansions, indefinite detention, expansion of domestic surveillance, etc. – we’d have overwhelmingly voted for McCain. That didn’t happen. Obama’s promises on the campaign trail are what Americans overwhelmingly voted for, trying to tell yourself differently is simply a delusion.

Gosh. Somebody thought I was bmaz. I am so chuffed, I cannot tell you.

Right now America…our consitution has a gaping wound. To continue to “move forward” despite this wound is to kill America…and become wolf bait.

To heal we MUST VALIDATE THE WOUND.