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		<title>By: orionATL</title>
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		<dc:creator>orionATL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 03:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;bmaz writes:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“On her philandering husband’s pelotas.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;it’s very late in this post, i’m just mopping the floor and putting the chairs on the tables,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but i want to say thanks bmaz for using “pelotas” instead of that effete eastern intellectual word “cajones”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the guys i work with use the spanish word “huevos” (”eggs”) for the (american)english “balls”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“cajon” in spanish refers to a drawer, e.g., in a piece of furniture.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;maybe jfk learned his slang from cubans, but i did not. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;it seems to me, a barely literate spanish speaker, that one might say “tengo mis huevos (o pelotas) en mis cajones.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;a liberal (and aren’t we all) translation of which might be: “i keep my balls in my drawers.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bmaz writes:</p>
<p>“On her philandering husband’s pelotas.”</p>
<p>it’s very late in this post, i’m just mopping the floor and putting the chairs on the tables,</p>
<p>but i want to say thanks bmaz for using “pelotas” instead of that effete eastern intellectual word “cajones”.</p>
<p>the guys i work with use the spanish word “huevos” (”eggs”) for the (american)english “balls”.</p>
<p>“cajon” in spanish refers to a drawer, e.g., in a piece of furniture.</p>
<p>maybe jfk learned his slang from cubans, but i did not. </p>
<p>it seems to me, a barely literate spanish speaker, that one might say “tengo mis huevos (o pelotas) en mis cajones.”</p>
<p>a liberal (and aren’t we all) translation of which might be: “i keep my balls in my drawers.”</p>
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		<title>By: LabDancer</title>
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		<dc:creator>LabDancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Lots of other good stuff in that piece:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;‘The names of two other women tumbled into the newsroom. …&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And more names of women were coming in over the transom. The total was at three and counting.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Women?!” Davis responded, sounding incredulous. “Women?!” …&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Later, Sanford said he had been unfaithful to his wife only once, with his lover in Argentina. …&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maria knew her e-mail traffic with Sanford had been compromised, according to the Times. But did she tell Sanford?&lt;br /&gt;
If so, his trip last week to Argentina was even more reckless.’&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Still some web to untangle.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of other good stuff in that piece:</p>
<p>‘The names of two other women tumbled into the newsroom. …</p>
<p>And more names of women were coming in over the transom. The total was at three and counting.</p>
<p>“Women?!” Davis responded, sounding incredulous. “Women?!” …</p>
<p>Later, Sanford said he had been unfaithful to his wife only once, with his lover in Argentina. …</p>
<p>Maria knew her e-mail traffic with Sanford had been compromised, according to the Times. But did she tell Sanford?<br />
If so, his trip last week to Argentina was even more reckless.’</p>
<p>Still some web to untangle.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just put up a new post on this, with thanks to you.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just put up a new post on this, with thanks to you.</p>
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		<title>By: esseff44</title>
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		<dc:creator>esseff44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The new story in The State answers some of the  questions but not all and raises some new ones.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The e-mails were sent copied and pasted in an e-mail sent to the letters to the editor.  The editor sent an e-mail to the AOL account in UK and got no response.  They also sent an e-mail to Maria’s e-mail address and got no response. &lt;strong&gt;Maria must have known at that time @Dec. 30 that the newspaper had copies of the e-mails sent to The State&lt;/strong&gt; Why didn’t she tell the Governor then??????&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The editor didn’t get a response and just put the e-mails in a drawer.  They give some rather feeble excuses for not checking with the governor in December/January and asking the questions that they asked last Wednesday.  The morning of his press conference and after he lied  to the reporter in Atlanta, they threatened the governor with a public questioning if he did not talk to them in private about the e-mails. It was at this point that the Governor must have realized his affair was exposed and he could not hide it any longer.  He does not appear to realize how reckless he had been. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;After the tip-offs of last week, the paper did ask McClatchy to have a free-lance reporter go to look for Maria at the address they had been sitting on for six months. Yes, it was Maria and no, she wasn’t home.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There’s a theme in the comments following the article that make it sound as if the Lt. Governor is even more unpopular that the Governor and that the political enemy/tipster about his AWOL is disliked even more than the both of them.  Not much respect for the newspaper for sitting on the story and then springing it in the way they did. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh, South Carolina. You have some house cleaning to do.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The new story in The State answers some of the  questions but not all and raises some new ones.  </p>
<p>The e-mails were sent copied and pasted in an e-mail sent to the letters to the editor.  The editor sent an e-mail to the AOL account in UK and got no response.  They also sent an e-mail to Maria’s e-mail address and got no response. <strong>Maria must have known at that time @Dec. 30 that the newspaper had copies of the e-mails sent to The State</strong> Why didn’t she tell the Governor then??????</p>
<p>The editor didn’t get a response and just put the e-mails in a drawer.  They give some rather feeble excuses for not checking with the governor in December/January and asking the questions that they asked last Wednesday.  The morning of his press conference and after he lied  to the reporter in Atlanta, they threatened the governor with a public questioning if he did not talk to them in private about the e-mails. It was at this point that the Governor must have realized his affair was exposed and he could not hide it any longer.  He does not appear to realize how reckless he had been. </p>
<p>After the tip-offs of last week, the paper did ask McClatchy to have a free-lance reporter go to look for Maria at the address they had been sitting on for six months. Yes, it was Maria and no, she wasn’t home.</p>
<p>There’s a theme in the comments following the article that make it sound as if the Lt. Governor is even more unpopular that the Governor and that the political enemy/tipster about his AWOL is disliked even more than the both of them.  Not much respect for the newspaper for sitting on the story and then springing it in the way they did. </p>
<p>Oh, South Carolina. You have some house cleaning to do.</p>
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		<title>By: esseff44</title>
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		<dc:creator>esseff44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There’s some of the back story coming out in today’s edition.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thestate.com/sanford/story/844260.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.thestate.com/sanford/story/844260.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There’s some of the back story coming out in today’s edition.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thestate.com/sanford/story/844260.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.thestate.com/sanford/story/844260.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: LabDancer</title>
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		<dc:creator>LabDancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This story abounds with lede ammo suitable for Hearst’s olden days. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Like the Argentine media references to “El Gobonador”, short form ‘nads. Plus adapting that naughty old Spanish popsie Charo’s cucci-cucci trademark. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;‘Just Met a Dear Old Friend Named Maria: South Side Story: El Nads Caught in Cucci-Cucci Trap: Exclusive Q&amp;A Tell-All With Love-Nest Doorman: “El Gobonador Is No Big Tipper” ‘&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Reader @ 99: “Sanford is NOT in love, he’s in delusion”. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There’s a difference?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This story abounds with lede ammo suitable for Hearst’s olden days. </p>
<p>Like the Argentine media references to “El Gobonador”, short form ‘nads. Plus adapting that naughty old Spanish popsie Charo’s cucci-cucci trademark. </p>
<p>‘Just Met a Dear Old Friend Named Maria: South Side Story: El Nads Caught in Cucci-Cucci Trap: Exclusive Q&amp;A Tell-All With Love-Nest Doorman: “El Gobonador Is No Big Tipper” ‘</p>
<p>Reader @ 99: “Sanford is NOT in love, he’s in delusion”. </p>
<p>There’s a difference?</p>
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		<title>By: AZ Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>AZ Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 17:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well.  I hope the Lovey Govey rots in his own personal hell and I don’t give two cents for his wife since she is the brain behind his politics and neither of them cared twobits for the poor or middle class of South Carolina.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well.  I hope the Lovey Govey rots in his own personal hell and I don’t give two cents for his wife since she is the brain behind his politics and neither of them cared twobits for the poor or middle class of South Carolina.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 17:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You may well be right, all I am saying is that I think the story of how it played out after they first got the emails would be fascinating to know.  Neither one of us really knows what they could have, should have, or did do; but man am I interested.  Maybe at some point they will do a narrative and tell us.  I do not disagree with anything in general you have said though, well made points.  I would point out that McCaltchy does have a South American Bureau in Rio, so they do have people down in South America.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may well be right, all I am saying is that I think the story of how it played out after they first got the emails would be fascinating to know.  Neither one of us really knows what they could have, should have, or did do; but man am I interested.  Maybe at some point they will do a narrative and tell us.  I do not disagree with anything in general you have said though, well made points.  I would point out that McCaltchy does have a South American Bureau in Rio, so they do have people down in South America.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Affiliate asset in Argentina? I don’t think they have that reach, bmaz. They’d have to go to AP and then they’d lose the scoop altogether. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;After working on this kind of stuff for nearly a couple of years, I can see how this wouldn’t have risen to the level which deserved investment. If I’d had to make the call based on what I know right now, I’d have said no because there wasn’t a second corroborating source. I’ve had to push back or spike stories with two corroborating sources because I couldn’t get anything on the record and the sources had agendas, too — and sources here within a short drive, not a timezone, 6000 miles and a language apart. A newspaper can still be sued for libel, no matter what the protections are for first amendment rights.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My guess is that they were watching for a source inside the governor’s office to crack; if Jenny was trying to keep this on the down-low, she may well have squelched any chance for sources to leak more info. Could be the other reason she is so damned pissed. After any potential work she’s done to keep his career afloat while batting clean-up, Sanford goes walkabout on her? Whew.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That The State’s reporter jumped on the link to the airport says to me they were ready to pull the trigger, but just needed that one more piece to cinch it. So they waited a few months and it fell in their laps; the outcome will be the same, and several thousand dollars cheaper, while letting them cover Sanford’s stimulus funding crap.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Affiliate asset in Argentina? I don’t think they have that reach, bmaz. They’d have to go to AP and then they’d lose the scoop altogether. </p>
<p>After working on this kind of stuff for nearly a couple of years, I can see how this wouldn’t have risen to the level which deserved investment. If I’d had to make the call based on what I know right now, I’d have said no because there wasn’t a second corroborating source. I’ve had to push back or spike stories with two corroborating sources because I couldn’t get anything on the record and the sources had agendas, too — and sources here within a short drive, not a timezone, 6000 miles and a language apart. A newspaper can still be sued for libel, no matter what the protections are for first amendment rights.</p>
<p>My guess is that they were watching for a source inside the governor’s office to crack; if Jenny was trying to keep this on the down-low, she may well have squelched any chance for sources to leak more info. Could be the other reason she is so damned pissed. After any potential work she’s done to keep his career afloat while batting clean-up, Sanford goes walkabout on her? Whew.</p>
<p>That The State’s reporter jumped on the link to the airport says to me they were ready to pull the trigger, but just needed that one more piece to cinch it. So they waited a few months and it fell in their laps; the outcome will be the same, and several thousand dollars cheaper, while letting them cover Sanford’s stimulus funding crap.</p>
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		<title>By: reader</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sanford is NOT in love, he’s in delusion and all that ”heart” language is the tip-off.  It’s a defense.  Its (subconscious) purpose is to legitimize the illegitimate.  I’d bet anything he proposed during this last visit.  And he’s STILL not aware that he has misread the mistress who seems to be playing him.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If he’s considered an ”odd duck” why would he be any less odd about his ”love” life.  Or his marriage such as it may have been.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Both Sanford and his wife may have been living separate delusions about their marriage, ”happy” or not.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jenny seems to be awake now.  Sanford not so much.  He’s out of his mind ~ maybe he always was.  He’s surely missed a big point that you cannot be repairing the marriage and jetting off the Argentina at the same time.  Like I keep saying, delusional.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He blew off NOT only his legal requirements to the State but his responsibilities to his sons.  His ”heart” should have told him Father’s Day was not a good time to sort out the thing with the mistress.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In ”love” my ASS.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sanford is NOT in love, he’s in delusion and all that ”heart” language is the tip-off.  It’s a defense.  Its (subconscious) purpose is to legitimize the illegitimate.  I’d bet anything he proposed during this last visit.  And he’s STILL not aware that he has misread the mistress who seems to be playing him.</p>
<p>If he’s considered an ”odd duck” why would he be any less odd about his ”love” life.  Or his marriage such as it may have been.</p>
<p>Both Sanford and his wife may have been living separate delusions about their marriage, ”happy” or not.</p>
<p>Jenny seems to be awake now.  Sanford not so much.  He’s out of his mind ~ maybe he always was.  He’s surely missed a big point that you cannot be repairing the marriage and jetting off the Argentina at the same time.  Like I keep saying, delusional.</p>
<p>He blew off NOT only his legal requirements to the State but his responsibilities to his sons.  His ”heart” should have told him Father’s Day was not a good time to sort out the thing with the mistress.</p>
<p>In ”love” my ASS.</p>
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