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		<title>By: thatvisionthing</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/23/withholding-torture-timelines/#comment-168358</link>
		<dc:creator>thatvisionthing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;You know GWB was not a Greek scholar - so who planted, watered and nourished this insane plan?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s a really good question, or at least who &lt;strong&gt;named &lt;/strong&gt;the plan…  Classical scholar?  Blair?  Rumsfeld?  Or, you know how Suskind reported that the CIA gave telltale code names — Cheney’s was “Edgar,” as in Edgar Bergen the ventriloquist, and of course “Curveball,” the Iraq-Al Qaeda intelligence source… Maybe the CIA named its own program.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You know GWB was not a Greek scholar &#8211; so who planted, watered and nourished this insane plan?</p>
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<p>That’s a really good question, or at least who <strong>named </strong>the plan…  Classical scholar?  Blair?  Rumsfeld?  Or, you know how Suskind reported that the CIA gave telltale code names — Cheney’s was “Edgar,” as in Edgar Bergen the ventriloquist, and of course “Curveball,” the Iraq-Al Qaeda intelligence source… Maybe the CIA named its own program.</p>
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		<title>By: veforvendetta</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/23/withholding-torture-timelines/#comment-168253</link>
		<dc:creator>veforvendetta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So, I wonder if anyone will ask Porter Goss and Bob Graham if they were briefed on this? Since it’s surely a classified briefing, they may not be able to acknowledge one way or the other.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wonder, in general, how many of these “classified briefings” were conducted over the Bush years, and how many Dems just sat on all this information without doing a damn thing about it?!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, I wonder if anyone will ask Porter Goss and Bob Graham if they were briefed on this? Since it’s surely a classified briefing, they may not be able to acknowledge one way or the other.</p>
<p>I wonder, in general, how many of these “classified briefings” were conducted over the Bush years, and how many Dems just sat on all this information without doing a damn thing about it?!</p>
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		<title>By: acquarius74</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/23/withholding-torture-timelines/#comment-168114</link>
		<dc:creator>acquarius74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you again for that link, Mary.  That’s a really good timeline.  I never had any use for Gen. Tommy Franks, but he got that one right.  (even with his alcohol-soaked brain).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m still stunned and in disbelief.  It’s unspeakable and unthinkable.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you again for that link, Mary.  That’s a really good timeline.  I never had any use for Gen. Tommy Franks, but he got that one right.  (even with his alcohol-soaked brain).</p>
<p>I’m still stunned and in disbelief.  It’s unspeakable and unthinkable.</p>
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		<title>By: acquarius74</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/23/withholding-torture-timelines/#comment-168103</link>
		<dc:creator>acquarius74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh, thank you, Mary.  I’ll go to your link next.  I tracked back from thatvisionthing’s link to dkos, then back to tinyrevolution.com, which ref’d Philippe Sands book, Lawless World in which he first mentioned the Bush 02/16/2002 finding which authorized elements of Operation Anabasis.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I could not believe what I was reading!  The comments at tinyrevolution are excellent and some there also had detected the Alexander the Great delusion.  Mary, this is something out of the Twilight Zone!  “cooked up by two CIA operatives”.  Back in the day, people with Napolean delusions were put away in the asylum - Now if you scheme to become Alexander the Great you run the most powerful country in the world.  And every last one of them is walking free on the earth!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In reading the online version of Anabasis, the words leapt out at me when I read that Cyrus had imprisoned the wives and children of some of his officers to ensure loyalty.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You know GWB was not a Greek scholar - so who planted, watered and nourished this insane plan?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m going to your link now; hope I can bear what I find there.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, thank you, Mary.  I’ll go to your link next.  I tracked back from thatvisionthing’s link to dkos, then back to tinyrevolution.com, which ref’d Philippe Sands book, Lawless World in which he first mentioned the Bush 02/16/2002 finding which authorized elements of Operation Anabasis.</p>
<p>I could not believe what I was reading!  The comments at tinyrevolution are excellent and some there also had detected the Alexander the Great delusion.  Mary, this is something out of the Twilight Zone!  “cooked up by two CIA operatives”.  Back in the day, people with Napolean delusions were put away in the asylum &#8211; Now if you scheme to become Alexander the Great you run the most powerful country in the world.  And every last one of them is walking free on the earth!</p>
<p>In reading the online version of Anabasis, the words leapt out at me when I read that Cyrus had imprisoned the wives and children of some of his officers to ensure loyalty.  </p>
<p>You know GWB was not a Greek scholar &#8211; so who planted, watered and nourished this insane plan?</p>
<p>I’m going to your link now; hope I can bear what I find there.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/23/withholding-torture-timelines/#comment-168039</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Historycommons on Anabasis:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=anabasis_1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.historycommons.org/.....anabasis_1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One “nifty” part of the plan originally was to entice disloyal elements in the very hopes that Sadaam would then kill the guys we enticed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;…the CIA would send a team of paramilitary CIA officers to &lt;strong&gt;recruit disloyal Iraqi officers &lt;/strong&gt;by offering them large chunks of cash. The CIA would conduct a disinformation campaign aimed at making Hussein believe that there was growing internal dissent. Hussein would become increasingly paranoid and eventually implement a repressive internal security policy, mostly likely involving &lt;strong&gt;the executions of suspected disloyal officers&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt; emph added&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There’s some incentive to work with the CIA, a little sweetner to go with their abilities at disappearing children and sodomy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Historycommons on Anabasis:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=anabasis_1" rel="nofollow">http://www.historycommons.org/&#8230;..anabasis_1</a></p>
<p>One “nifty” part of the plan originally was to entice disloyal elements in the very hopes that Sadaam would then kill the guys we enticed.</p>
<blockquote><p>…the CIA would send a team of paramilitary CIA officers to <strong>recruit disloyal Iraqi officers </strong>by offering them large chunks of cash. The CIA would conduct a disinformation campaign aimed at making Hussein believe that there was growing internal dissent. Hussein would become increasingly paranoid and eventually implement a repressive internal security policy, mostly likely involving <strong>the executions of suspected disloyal officers</strong>.</p>
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<p> emph added</p>
<p>There’s some incentive to work with the CIA, a little sweetner to go with their abilities at disappearing children and sodomy.</p>
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		<title>By: acquarius74</title>
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		<dc:creator>acquarius74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OMG, that visionthing!:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;On February 16, 2002, President Bush signed covert findings authorizing the various elements of &lt;em&gt;Anabasis&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I started by searching the word, Anabasis.  You’re probably way ahead of me on this….&lt;strong&gt;so, who in Bush/Co’s closest circle was the scholar of ancient Greek warfare? &lt;/strong&gt; Do you think the PNAC group led W to believe he could become the next Alexander the Great??  Just how mad, literally, was/is that bunch?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Legend has it that Alexander the Great was inspired by Xenophon’s writings [entitled, “Anabasis”] of his adventures with Cyrus in his attempt to conquer Persia.  The word, anabasis, meaning ‘inland and upward from the coast’.    &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In reading online versions of Xenophon’s ‘Anabasis’, the states (now countries) that Cyrus conquered in that story surely sound much like the countries on Bush’s list of the Axis of Evil; Iraq, Syria, Iran, Gaza,  [Egypt is already our puppet]…can’t remember the others on the list which lie within the Middle East.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And 02/16/2002 GWB had the audacity/madness to name his secret ‘finding’, the Anabasis ???  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What an awesome door you have opened, thatvisionthing!  I must try to learn more of that GWB 02/16/2002 finding.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG, that visionthing!:</p>
<blockquote><p>On February 16, 2002, President Bush signed covert findings authorizing the various elements of <em>Anabasis</em>.</p>
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<p>I started by searching the word, Anabasis.  You’re probably way ahead of me on this….<strong>so, who in Bush/Co’s closest circle was the scholar of ancient Greek warfare? </strong> Do you think the PNAC group led W to believe he could become the next Alexander the Great??  Just how mad, literally, was/is that bunch?</p>
<p>Legend has it that Alexander the Great was inspired by Xenophon’s writings [entitled, “Anabasis”] of his adventures with Cyrus in his attempt to conquer Persia.  The word, anabasis, meaning ‘inland and upward from the coast’.    </p>
<p>In reading online versions of Xenophon’s ‘Anabasis’, the states (now countries) that Cyrus conquered in that story surely sound much like the countries on Bush’s list of the Axis of Evil; Iraq, Syria, Iran, Gaza,  [Egypt is already our puppet]…can’t remember the others on the list which lie within the Middle East.</p>
<p>And 02/16/2002 GWB had the audacity/madness to name his secret ‘finding’, the Anabasis ???  </p>
<p>What an awesome door you have opened, thatvisionthing!  I must try to learn more of that GWB 02/16/2002 finding.</p>
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		<title>By: thatvisionthing</title>
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		<dc:creator>thatvisionthing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 08:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Question to the experts — “Manning memo” or “White House memo” was covered on KO tonight as well as on Daily Kos yesterday — I thought it was old news, where Bush and Blair met and Bush suggested a false flag UN flight over Iraq to provoke Saddam into shooting at it and starting the war.  The DKos story has an interesting detail that says Bush told Blair he had briefed congressional intelligence committee leaders, on or before February 16, 2002.  (Timeline?)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/6/22/0214/71374&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....0214/71374&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That Bush was interested in provoking Iraq is confirmed by extensive covert operations called DB/Anabasis reported by Michael Isikoff and David Corn in their 2006 book “Hubris: The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War.”  These operations “envisioned staging a phony incident that could be used to start a war.  A small group of Iraqi exiles would be flown into Iraq by helicopter to seize an isolated military base near the Saudi border.  They then would take to the airwaves and announce a coup was under way.  If Saddam responded by flying troops south, his aircraft would be shot down by US fighter planes patrolling the no-fly zones established by UN edict after the first Persian Gulf War.  A clash of this sort could be used to initiate a full-scale war. &lt;strong&gt; On February 16, 2002, President Bush signed covert findings authorizing the various elements of Anabasis. The leaders of the congressional intelligence committees — including Porter Goss, a Republican, and Senator Bob Graham, a Democrat — were briefed.”&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m guessing that Bush lied to the British about Congress (or at least Graham?) being briefed to false flag?  Maybe I’m misreading the story.  I don’t see a link to the memo itself.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question to the experts — “Manning memo” or “White House memo” was covered on KO tonight as well as on Daily Kos yesterday — I thought it was old news, where Bush and Blair met and Bush suggested a false flag UN flight over Iraq to provoke Saddam into shooting at it and starting the war.  The DKos story has an interesting detail that says Bush told Blair he had briefed congressional intelligence committee leaders, on or before February 16, 2002.  (Timeline?)</p>
<blockquote><p>
<a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/6/22/0214/71374" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/storyo&#8230;..0214/71374</a></p>
<p>That Bush was interested in provoking Iraq is confirmed by extensive covert operations called DB/Anabasis reported by Michael Isikoff and David Corn in their 2006 book “Hubris: The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War.”  These operations “envisioned staging a phony incident that could be used to start a war.  A small group of Iraqi exiles would be flown into Iraq by helicopter to seize an isolated military base near the Saudi border.  They then would take to the airwaves and announce a coup was under way.  If Saddam responded by flying troops south, his aircraft would be shot down by US fighter planes patrolling the no-fly zones established by UN edict after the first Persian Gulf War.  A clash of this sort could be used to initiate a full-scale war. <strong> On February 16, 2002, President Bush signed covert findings authorizing the various elements of Anabasis. The leaders of the congressional intelligence committees — including Porter Goss, a Republican, and Senator Bob Graham, a Democrat — were briefed.”</strong></p>
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<p>I’m guessing that Bush lied to the British about Congress (or at least Graham?) being briefed to false flag?  Maybe I’m misreading the story.  I don’t see a link to the memo itself.</p>
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		<title>By: thatvisionthing</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/23/withholding-torture-timelines/#comment-167936</link>
		<dc:creator>thatvisionthing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 07:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Another TV show coming up that I wonder about — PBS (apparently it was on tonight — I missed it — and will repeat here July 2 at 4 a.m.) &lt;strong&gt;Nova scienceNOW:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Breakthroughs in the engineering of artificial diamonds; &lt;strong&gt;the science that went into solving the deadly post - 9/11 anthrax attacks and the ingenious technique researchers developed to pinpoint the source;&lt;/strong&gt; “AutoTune,” the controversial computer pitch-correction software that turns sour notes into sweet ones; and a profile of computer scientist Luis von Ahn. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I thought the anthrax story never was resolved — ?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another TV show coming up that I wonder about — PBS (apparently it was on tonight — I missed it — and will repeat here July 2 at 4 a.m.) <strong>Nova scienceNOW:</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>Breakthroughs in the engineering of artificial diamonds; <strong>the science that went into solving the deadly post &#8211; 9/11 anthrax attacks and the ingenious technique researchers developed to pinpoint the source;</strong> “AutoTune,” the controversial computer pitch-correction software that turns sour notes into sweet ones; and a profile of computer scientist Luis von Ahn. </p>
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<p>I thought the anthrax story never was resolved — ?</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/23/withholding-torture-timelines/#comment-167921</link>
		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There’s some video overview content, worth pre-screening I think. So far it looks like hype.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;WRT to topic: has been puzzling all along the way as we picked this apart that the powers that be did not want to show the earliest bits of anything.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At first it looked like they acted without authority and got support retroactively, but now it looks more like there was an effort to keep us from comparing what happened at distinct points in time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have to hunt down another copy of Ghost Plane, mine has truly gone walk about; I think we are going to have to be very granular with rendition info soon. Probably wouldn’t hurt to comb through the EU’s rapporteur content to see if there is a different timeline from EU perspective, n’est-ce pas?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There’s some video overview content, worth pre-screening I think. So far it looks like hype.</p>
<p>WRT to topic: has been puzzling all along the way as we picked this apart that the powers that be did not want to show the earliest bits of anything.</p>
<p>At first it looked like they acted without authority and got support retroactively, but now it looks more like there was an effort to keep us from comparing what happened at distinct points in time.</p>
<p>I have to hunt down another copy of Ghost Plane, mine has truly gone walk about; I think we are going to have to be very granular with rendition info soon. Probably wouldn’t hurt to comb through the EU’s rapporteur content to see if there is a different timeline from EU perspective, n’est-ce pas?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kaye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Kaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, that was the show. It was mostly pure propaganda. The CIA never really sleeps. They pride themselves on being one step ahead, and you can bet they will ratchet up the spin and domestic psyops for the inevitable disclosures that lie ahead. Their strategy appears to be to swamp the critics with an alternate narrative. Not a bad strategy, from their point of view, and is why everything we do here is so precious and important… every blogger, every commenter, every story.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think I’ll try and tape and take a look at who produced the show, advisers, etc., see if we can’t track down what’s going on here. This wasn’t just a show by some “patriot.” This was propaganda, and sophisticated, too, i.e., to stick in at the end some “critical” material, only to wind up with that closing statement re 100 years for the “war on terror.” Lots of money can be made in a 100 years, not to mention the job security, from a contemporary standpoint.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that was the show. It was mostly pure propaganda. The CIA never really sleeps. They pride themselves on being one step ahead, and you can bet they will ratchet up the spin and domestic psyops for the inevitable disclosures that lie ahead. Their strategy appears to be to swamp the critics with an alternate narrative. Not a bad strategy, from their point of view, and is why everything we do here is so precious and important… every blogger, every commenter, every story.</p>
<p>I think I’ll try and tape and take a look at who produced the show, advisers, etc., see if we can’t track down what’s going on here. This wasn’t just a show by some “patriot.” This was propaganda, and sophisticated, too, i.e., to stick in at the end some “critical” material, only to wind up with that closing statement re 100 years for the “war on terror.” Lots of money can be made in a 100 years, not to mention the job security, from a contemporary standpoint.</p>
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