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	<title>Comments on: Who Accessed the Rove Email Search on July 26, 2005?</title>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Did Palast just access emails having to do with attorney general/DOJ issue?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4551&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4551&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did Palast just access emails having to do with attorney general/DOJ issue?<br /><a href="http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4551" rel="nofollow">http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4551</a></p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/20/who-accessed-the-rove-email-search-on-july-26-2005/comment-page-1/#comment-167586</link>
		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I thought that announcement by El Baradei would have been all over the front pages of the MSMedias newspapers or airwaves…not&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought that announcement by El Baradei would have been all over the front pages of the MSMedias newspapers or airwaves…not</p>
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		<title>By: oldoilfieldhand</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldoilfieldhand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great Thanks Marcy! and MadDog, Congratulations!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Thanks Marcy! and MadDog, Congratulations!</p>
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		<title>By: rincewind</title>
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		<dc:creator>rincewind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;WRT Bellinger’s email to Rice and Hadley sending ‘em to OVP — I’m pretty clueless about Outlook, but some years back when I HAD to use it for a client, I seem to recall being able to set a “rule” to automatically ‘redirect’ or ‘forward’ mail from that account to my regular email, yet still keep the original in Outlook? Wouldn’t that be invisible to Bellinger, and maybe even to Rice if she didn’t bother to look at her options/rules? Hadley might even have told her he was setting up her email to automatically forward to HIM (”for her convenience”) in case she noticed mail being forwarded?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WRT Bellinger’s email to Rice and Hadley sending ‘em to OVP — I’m pretty clueless about Outlook, but some years back when I HAD to use it for a client, I seem to recall being able to set a “rule” to automatically ‘redirect’ or ‘forward’ mail from that account to my regular email, yet still keep the original in Outlook? Wouldn’t that be invisible to Bellinger, and maybe even to Rice if she didn’t bother to look at her options/rules? Hadley might even have told her he was setting up her email to automatically forward to HIM (”for her convenience”) in case she noticed mail being forwarded?</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If I gave you administrative access to my blog, you could get into the backend. But it would not assure that you have the ability to safely use the right utilities/applications to make changes at code level without detection, and without crashing the system, particularly during production hours.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For the same reasons Hadley himself would not get administrative access. He doesn’t know jack about IT and would be a fricking danger to himself and the entire organization if left to his own devices to make the changes we’re talking about. But given the wide-open nature of the system, Hadley only has to call a friendly contractor/subcontractor and ask them to do it; the contractor or sub already has all the clearance and access they need to get it done, and Hadley has all the authority he needs based on his role.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We just can’t wrap up a ribbon and tie a bow on Hadley about this, though, because this surely took at least one other point of contact to get it done.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I gave you administrative access to my blog, you could get into the backend. But it would not assure that you have the ability to safely use the right utilities/applications to make changes at code level without detection, and without crashing the system, particularly during production hours.</p>
<p>For the same reasons Hadley himself would not get administrative access. He doesn’t know jack about IT and would be a fricking danger to himself and the entire organization if left to his own devices to make the changes we’re talking about. But given the wide-open nature of the system, Hadley only has to call a friendly contractor/subcontractor and ask them to do it; the contractor or sub already has all the clearance and access they need to get it done, and Hadley has all the authority he needs based on his role.</p>
<p>We just can’t wrap up a ribbon and tie a bow on Hadley about this, though, because this surely took at least one other point of contact to get it done.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Right. But the point being that the whole question of who gets administrative access is moot if it’s wide open for those that know it is.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right. But the point being that the whole question of who gets administrative access is moot if it’s wide open for those that know it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, no need to do all that nasty, time-consuming administrative security stuff if the back door is left wide, wide open. Any contractor can enter and do the work immediately, and they probably have some sort of wink-wink-nod understanding of how to operate without stepping on each other’s toes since the same contract personnel will likely shift from one subcontractor/employer to another while the master contract between the administration and the main contractor remains in place and unchanged.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So BAH specs out the contractors which do the work, employs other subcontractors on an as-needed basis, and there may be little difference between the contractors and subs.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Look at the info about Chenega in thread upstairs; guess which firms subcontract telecom/IT infrastructure/data work to Chenega? You’ll be able to spit out the names quite readily.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, no need to do all that nasty, time-consuming administrative security stuff if the back door is left wide, wide open. Any contractor can enter and do the work immediately, and they probably have some sort of wink-wink-nod understanding of how to operate without stepping on each other’s toes since the same contract personnel will likely shift from one subcontractor/employer to another while the master contract between the administration and the main contractor remains in place and unchanged.</p>
<p>So BAH specs out the contractors which do the work, employs other subcontractors on an as-needed basis, and there may be little difference between the contractors and subs.</p>
<p>Look at the info about Chenega in thread upstairs; guess which firms subcontract telecom/IT infrastructure/data work to Chenega? You’ll be able to spit out the names quite readily.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Does that account for the fact that they discovered in mid-2005 that everyone had access?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does that account for the fact that they discovered in mid-2005 that everyone had access?</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’ll reiterate my strong doubt that any IT person would ever grant a non-IT person administrative access. This just isn’t done, especially in settings like the White House. It would be far more likely that Hadley was a point person who contacted IT personnel or contractors to make changes to the system, whether those persons are on site or remote.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hadley rubbed shoulders with former Booz Allen Hamilton folks all the time (like ret. Adm. John McConnell and James Woolsey); BAH also worked closely with contractors like Lockheed-Martin, whom Hadley once represented as a lobbyist. It was very incestuous and likely easy for Hadley to simply snap his fingers and tell one of the BAH-selected contractors to get him what he wanted in the way of IT services.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ll reiterate my strong doubt that any IT person would ever grant a non-IT person administrative access. This just isn’t done, especially in settings like the White House. It would be far more likely that Hadley was a point person who contacted IT personnel or contractors to make changes to the system, whether those persons are on site or remote.</p>
<p>Hadley rubbed shoulders with former Booz Allen Hamilton folks all the time (like ret. Adm. John McConnell and James Woolsey); BAH also worked closely with contractors like Lockheed-Martin, whom Hadley once represented as a lobbyist. It was very incestuous and likely easy for Hadley to simply snap his fingers and tell one of the BAH-selected contractors to get him what he wanted in the way of IT services.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;IceAxe&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Rove and Libby” did not write Tenet’s statement in response to teh SOTU claim.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Libby was involved, as was Hadley and Cheney, but ultimately Mclaughlin and Tenet wrote it (by all appearances Rove was not involved). The day it went out, Cheney declared it “unacceptable.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All of this was introduced as evidence at the trial.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The claim that Rove was involved appears to have been part of Rove’s disinformation campaign during the summer 2005.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IceAxe</p>
<p>“Rove and Libby” did not write Tenet’s statement in response to teh SOTU claim.</p>
<p>Libby was involved, as was Hadley and Cheney, but ultimately Mclaughlin and Tenet wrote it (by all appearances Rove was not involved). The day it went out, Cheney declared it “unacceptable.”</p>
<p>All of this was introduced as evidence at the trial.</p>
<p>The claim that Rove was involved appears to have been part of Rove’s disinformation campaign during the summer 2005.</p>
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