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	<title>Comments on: Dennis Blair&#8217;s Spokesperson: The Domestic Surveillance Program Violates the Fourth Amendment</title>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t have a link to the discussions, they were quite some time ago but I recall that the commenters here who know tech stuff (I obviously don’t) were mentioning this option in connection with one of the surveillance cases and the telecoms - that the telecoms had their own proprietary software that might be easier to catch a ride on than to try to replicate, and that this might be one of the ways they provided assistance and if so they probably got paid pretty well for that.  I think it was in conection with some info that made it look like telecom techs were being co-opted into the program.  Wish I could find the discussions and don’t rely on me for having remembered them correctly, bc I’m out of my depth on any of the tech stuff.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you.</p>
<p>I don’t have a link to the discussions, they were quite some time ago but I recall that the commenters here who know tech stuff (I obviously don’t) were mentioning this option in connection with one of the surveillance cases and the telecoms &#8211; that the telecoms had their own proprietary software that might be easier to catch a ride on than to try to replicate, and that this might be one of the ways they provided assistance and if so they probably got paid pretty well for that.  I think it was in conection with some info that made it look like telecom techs were being co-opted into the program.  Wish I could find the discussions and don’t rely on me for having remembered them correctly, bc I’m out of my depth on any of the tech stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Civlibertarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Civlibertarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There are actually many of these &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Distributed_computing_projects&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Distributed computing projects&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately networks of computers are already in the wrong hands — with the advent of broadband and computers in people’s homes left running and connected to the internet, a new goal of viruses and malicious software is to take control of people’s computers for incorporation into &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botnet&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;botnets&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are actually many of these <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Distributed_computing_projects" rel="nofollow">Distributed computing projects</a>.</p>
<p>Unfortunately networks of computers are already in the wrong hands — with the advent of broadband and computers in people’s homes left running and connected to the internet, a new goal of viruses and malicious software is to take control of people’s computers for incorporation into <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botnet" rel="nofollow">botnets</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Civlibertarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Civlibertarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You’re right, data mining software would not be used for real-time monitoring.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I’m not techie, but that would seem to be a different kind of software application and isn’t that, the real time searches, where some of the techies originally indicated it might be that gov wasn’t just using telecom infrastructure but also their proprietary software for some of the unconstitutional surveillance?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hmm, do you have a cite for that? I’m not sure what you’re referring to.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You’re right, data mining software would not be used for real-time monitoring.</p>
<blockquote><p>I’m not techie, but that would seem to be a different kind of software application and isn’t that, the real time searches, where some of the techies originally indicated it might be that gov wasn’t just using telecom infrastructure but also their proprietary software for some of the unconstitutional surveillance?</p>
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<p>Hmm, do you have a cite for that? I’m not sure what you’re referring to.</p>
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		<title>By: sunshine</title>
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		<dc:creator>sunshine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The program below sounds like it is doing a good thing. But think how dangerous a program like this in the wrong hands could be used.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;By utilizing a million computers for calculations while they’re idling away, Harvard University and IBM think they’ll be able to more quickly come up with a new, cheap way to create solar power. The project uses IBM’s World Community Grid, and folks who have volunteered their computers are linked up so the organizations can run calculations on them. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;With the help of idling computers located around the globe, the researchers feel they could take a project with a 22-year estimated completion date and polish it off in just 2 years. So what’s the project? It’s the Clean Energy Project: &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/12/your-computer-could-save-the-world-while-idling.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.treehugger.com/file.....idling.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The program below sounds like it is doing a good thing. But think how dangerous a program like this in the wrong hands could be used.</p>
<blockquote><p>By utilizing a million computers for calculations while they’re idling away, Harvard University and IBM think they’ll be able to more quickly come up with a new, cheap way to create solar power. The project uses IBM’s World Community Grid, and folks who have volunteered their computers are linked up so the organizations can run calculations on them. </p>
<p>With the help of idling computers located around the globe, the researchers feel they could take a project with a 22-year estimated completion date and polish it off in just 2 years. So what’s the project? It’s the Clean Energy Project: </p>
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<p><a href="http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/12/your-computer-could-save-the-world-while-idling.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.treehugger.com/file&#8230;..idling.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ok - so do I have this right or not?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Pinwale is not really the “classified code word” for a “program” but is instead a non-classified name for NSA’s proprietary data mining software.  HOwever, Pinwale’s applications include using it on classified databases that are the unconstitutionally acquired and stored US communications (email “meta data” and/or [more likely and] content, text messages, Web searches, etc.) &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is “Pinwale” likely what they would use for real time searches too, once they have taken control of infrastructure?  I’m not techie, but that would seem to be a different kind of software application and isn’t that, the real time searches, where some of the techies originally indicated it might be that gov wasn’t just using telecom infrastructure but also their proprietary software for some of the unconstitutional surveillance?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok &#8211; so do I have this right or not?</p>
<p>Pinwale is not really the “classified code word” for a “program” but is instead a non-classified name for NSA’s proprietary data mining software.  HOwever, Pinwale’s applications include using it on classified databases that are the unconstitutionally acquired and stored US communications (email “meta data” and/or [more likely and] content, text messages, Web searches, etc.) </p>
<p>Is “Pinwale” likely what they would use for real time searches too, once they have taken control of infrastructure?  I’m not techie, but that would seem to be a different kind of software application and isn’t that, the real time searches, where some of the techies originally indicated it might be that gov wasn’t just using telecom infrastructure but also their proprietary software for some of the unconstitutional surveillance?</p>
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		<title>By: phred</title>
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		<dc:creator>phred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks to you and WO for answering my spam question.  This has been a fascinating thread — thanks to all!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to you and WO for answering my spam question.  This has been a fascinating thread — thanks to all!</p>
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		<title>By: phred</title>
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		<dc:creator>phred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Where were Feingold and Whitehouse and…  Oh forget it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where were Feingold and Whitehouse and…  Oh forget it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think the Dems have played the photo bill very dumb.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The way to handle it would have been to push to have Taguba appointed (if he’d take it, someone else with his credibility - if you can find it - if not) to investigate MI procedures durign the war and produce a report like he did for MP and to give him access to ALL the pics and photos and also give him the mandate with a DOJ or other crew if needed, to pursue all the abuses shown in the pics whether they are MI, Spec Forces, Contractors, CIA or other.  Amend the DTA and MCA to dis-amnestyize anything in the pics (cuz of course Congress wouldn’t have given amnesty for war crimes documented in pictures before it while hanging a few MPs out to dry). &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then shove that back at Lindsey — if you don’t want pictures released so that people can see what it is we allowed and haven’t prosecuted, then your alternative is opting in on prosecutions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s really the issue behind the photos - the nonprosecution of war crimes, not the public acess to the photos (which apparently have been pretty widely disseminated anyway).  The problem is that Obama and Holder and Blair and the tarnished uniforms surrounding them don’t really invoke much confidence about who would be given charge of the investigations.  Which is why I go  back to Taguba - or give him a consultant/oversight position on who you do appoint maybe.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Dems have played the photo bill very dumb.</p>
<p>The way to handle it would have been to push to have Taguba appointed (if he’d take it, someone else with his credibility &#8211; if you can find it &#8211; if not) to investigate MI procedures durign the war and produce a report like he did for MP and to give him access to ALL the pics and photos and also give him the mandate with a DOJ or other crew if needed, to pursue all the abuses shown in the pics whether they are MI, Spec Forces, Contractors, CIA or other.  Amend the DTA and MCA to dis-amnestyize anything in the pics (cuz of course Congress wouldn’t have given amnesty for war crimes documented in pictures before it while hanging a few MPs out to dry). </p>
<p>Then shove that back at Lindsey — if you don’t want pictures released so that people can see what it is we allowed and haven’t prosecuted, then your alternative is opting in on prosecutions.</p>
<p>That’s really the issue behind the photos &#8211; the nonprosecution of war crimes, not the public acess to the photos (which apparently have been pretty widely disseminated anyway).  The problem is that Obama and Holder and Blair and the tarnished uniforms surrounding them don’t really invoke much confidence about who would be given charge of the investigations.  Which is why I go  back to Taguba &#8211; or give him a consultant/oversight position on who you do appoint maybe.</p>
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		<title>By: phred</title>
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		<dc:creator>phred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Interesting date on the article with the McNealy quote: Jan 1999.  Hoovering — it’s bipartisan!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting date on the article with the McNealy quote: Jan 1999.  Hoovering — it’s bipartisan!</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ah, yes, that immediate destruction of non-targeted US citizen info “incidentally” acquired is how the full transcript of Jane Harman’s donor call got circulated around and apparently held ont for so long.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;See why everyone folded when she demanded it be released?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, yes, that immediate destruction of non-targeted US citizen info “incidentally” acquired is how the full transcript of Jane Harman’s donor call got circulated around and apparently held ont for so long.  </p>
<p>See why everyone folded when she demanded it be released?</p>
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