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		<title>By: ackack</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/14/eric-holders-secrets/#comment-165808</link>
		<dc:creator>ackack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 04:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Speaking of protection rackets, I’ve wondered for a few years whether or not there is actually a case for the application of RICO statutes by a creative prosecutor in the pursuit of justice for not only those engaged in the cover-up of torture cases, but that of wholesale wiretapping.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of protection rackets, I’ve wondered for a few years whether or not there is actually a case for the application of RICO statutes by a creative prosecutor in the pursuit of justice for not only those engaged in the cover-up of torture cases, but that of wholesale wiretapping.</p>
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		<title>By: stryder</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/14/eric-holders-secrets/#comment-165785</link>
		<dc:creator>stryder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 01:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;that was a response to &lt;a href=&quot;mailto:wavpeac@13&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wavpeac@13&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that was a response to <a href="mailto:wavpeac@13" rel="nofollow">wavpeac@13</a></p>
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		<title>By: stryder</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/14/eric-holders-secrets/#comment-165783</link>
		<dc:creator>stryder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 01:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This old KOS diary by leveymg&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/7/8/14653/71820&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....4653/71820&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
clarifies the evolution of events after watergate and the”reining in” of the cia and the effects of it.Consequently,the vacuum that was created in the international intel community allowed the AQ Khan/BAE and the whole outsoursing/slush fund mechanism of the Bush 1 era to evolve into what we proudly have today.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“A large part of Valerie Plame’s job at CIA was to track the illicit trade in nuclear technologies peddled by Dr. Khan’s network.  Khan’s Nuclear Walmart made it very easy for customers to buy what they needed to start home bomb-making.  Khan’s one-stop shop for WMDs made it just as easy for the CIA to keep track of nuclear programs in at least half-dozen unfriendly countries, and a variety of criminal organizations in a dozen more that supplied money and know-how”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“The Safari Club&lt;br /&gt;
The Khan network was the product of more than an alliance against the Soviet Union.  It sprang out of a post-Watergate era partnership between disgraced former covert operators who had been thrown out of American intelligence, the Saudi Royal family, and third-country partners who provided manpower and technical assistance.  It was called, “The Safari Club”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This old KOS diary by leveymg<br /><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/7/8/14653/71820" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/storyo&#8230;..4653/71820</a><br />
clarifies the evolution of events after watergate and the”reining in” of the cia and the effects of it.Consequently,the vacuum that was created in the international intel community allowed the AQ Khan/BAE and the whole outsoursing/slush fund mechanism of the Bush 1 era to evolve into what we proudly have today.</p>
<p>“A large part of Valerie Plame’s job at CIA was to track the illicit trade in nuclear technologies peddled by Dr. Khan’s network.  Khan’s Nuclear Walmart made it very easy for customers to buy what they needed to start home bomb-making.  Khan’s one-stop shop for WMDs made it just as easy for the CIA to keep track of nuclear programs in at least half-dozen unfriendly countries, and a variety of criminal organizations in a dozen more that supplied money and know-how”</p>
<p>“The Safari Club<br />
The Khan network was the product of more than an alliance against the Soviet Union.  It sprang out of a post-Watergate era partnership between disgraced former covert operators who had been thrown out of American intelligence, the Saudi Royal family, and third-country partners who provided manpower and technical assistance.  It was called, “The Safari Club”</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/14/eric-holders-secrets/#comment-165780</link>
		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 01:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sometimes a cigar is not just a cigar, nor a dream a dream.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes a cigar is not just a cigar, nor a dream a dream.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/14/eric-holders-secrets/#comment-165779</link>
		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 01:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree that Koh and Johnsen’s nominations have been used to placate the Left, while allowing them to be held hostage to “more important issues” in the Senate placates the Right.  Obama is, indeed, a Chicago pol.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That they are substantively brilliant picks for their respective offices is an added bonus, but it’s not their present utility.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Koh and Johnsen’s nominations have been used to placate the Left, while allowing them to be held hostage to “more important issues” in the Senate placates the Right.  Obama is, indeed, a Chicago pol.</p>
<p>That they are substantively brilliant picks for their respective offices is an added bonus, but it’s not their present utility.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/14/eric-holders-secrets/#comment-165778</link>
		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 01:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes.  The papacy was in the midst of losing its last temporal power, control over its Italian lands owing to secular Italian political unification, which lagged just behind the unification of the rumbling, powerful Wilhelmine Germany.  The greatest industrial and imperial powers, barring France, were Protestant.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Combined with the rise of modernity, the emancipation and assimilation of Jews, industrialization, literacy, and a scientific outlook - epitomized by Darwin and Wallace’s 1859 publications on natural selection and the origin of species, including man - the pope’s realm on earth was reduced to the hearts of men and Vatican City.  The development of modern concepts of science and history was bringing scripture and an ahistorical church’s authority into doubt.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The pope was determined that his spiritual authority not become as irrelevant as his temporal authority.  Like Cheney, one reaction was to declare his opinion on matters of faith to be infallible and irrefutable, the spiritual analogue to a politician’s hiding behind patriotism and his troops safety.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  The papacy was in the midst of losing its last temporal power, control over its Italian lands owing to secular Italian political unification, which lagged just behind the unification of the rumbling, powerful Wilhelmine Germany.  The greatest industrial and imperial powers, barring France, were Protestant.</p>
<p>Combined with the rise of modernity, the emancipation and assimilation of Jews, industrialization, literacy, and a scientific outlook &#8211; epitomized by Darwin and Wallace’s 1859 publications on natural selection and the origin of species, including man &#8211; the pope’s realm on earth was reduced to the hearts of men and Vatican City.  The development of modern concepts of science and history was bringing scripture and an ahistorical church’s authority into doubt.</p>
<p>The pope was determined that his spiritual authority not become as irrelevant as his temporal authority.  Like Cheney, one reaction was to declare his opinion on matters of faith to be infallible and irrefutable, the spiritual analogue to a politician’s hiding behind patriotism and his troops safety.</p>
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		<title>By: eCAHNomics</title>
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		<dc:creator>eCAHNomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 00:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There’s a general principle that the most powerful person in the world is unlikely to cede power. So the null hypothesis is that Obama would take what W accomplished and push it even farther. Evidence is mounting to support the null hypothesis.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There’s a general principle that the most powerful person in the world is unlikely to cede power. So the null hypothesis is that Obama would take what W accomplished and push it even farther. Evidence is mounting to support the null hypothesis.</p>
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		<title>By: skdadl</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/14/eric-holders-secrets/#comment-165771</link>
		<dc:creator>skdadl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 00:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;plunger, you could hardly have chosen a clumsier metaphor.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Don Quixote&lt;/em&gt; is one of the foundational works of modern European literature. The last thing that either the Don or Cervantes himself, different though their views are, would want to say is that a windmill is just a windmill. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ceci n’est pas un pipe, plunger.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>plunger, you could hardly have chosen a clumsier metaphor.</p>
<p><em>Don Quixote</em> is one of the foundational works of modern European literature. The last thing that either the Don or Cervantes himself, different though their views are, would want to say is that a windmill is just a windmill. </p>
<p>Ceci n’est pas un pipe, plunger.</p>
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		<title>By: marymccurnin</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/14/eric-holders-secrets/#comment-165768</link>
		<dc:creator>marymccurnin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 00:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Seems the standard in the O Admin is not meaning what you orginally said.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems the standard in the O Admin is not meaning what you orginally said.</p>
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		<title>By: skdadl</title>
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		<dc:creator>skdadl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 00:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;… and to bmaz and LabDancer @ 22:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Fitz’s letters (beginning Oct 2007 — does that affect the laches issues?) are well worth reading; in the second of them he quotes more of Lance than &lt;strike&gt;anyone&lt;/strike&gt; most people here would ever want to read, and just about every sentence he quotes confirms LabDancer’s analysis @ 22. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately, the letters are on Lance’s site (link at Raw Story), and Lance supplies only one response from Harper Collins, the sweetly feeble letter to which Fitz’s second is the reply (devastating, I thought). Publisher’s sweetly feeble lawyer tries to argue at one and the same time that Lance never inarguably and explicitly imputes any such motives to Fitzgerald, and besides, even if and when he does, he puts his imputations in the context of conditional clauses and opinion, and everyone is entitled to his own opinion, eh? Heh.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t know what goes on in court, but I do know what goes on when book publishers get sued: money gets spent, a lot of money, ‘way more money than book publishers can normally afford, long before anyone gets to court. That’s your actual libel chill, and I mostly don’t like it either. I’ve watched publishers chew over nuisance threats. Some of them are brave enough to take the dare and keep going, which is often smart because most nuisance threats go away, but most publishers will fold fairly easily just because they can’t afford to defend, even when they’re right.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To me, though, in this case it’s blindingly obvious that Fitz is right, but then I am NAL. (He is, though. *wink*)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Anyway, those letters were for me a real edumacation and a great read as well — I can’t imagine why Lance is putting stuff so damaging to himself on his own site. Shame that we don’t have the whole series, which I suspect would make Harper Collins look even sillier.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>… and to bmaz and LabDancer @ 22:</p>
<p>Fitz’s letters (beginning Oct 2007 — does that affect the laches issues?) are well worth reading; in the second of them he quotes more of Lance than <strike>anyone</strike> most people here would ever want to read, and just about every sentence he quotes confirms LabDancer’s analysis @ 22. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, the letters are on Lance’s site (link at Raw Story), and Lance supplies only one response from Harper Collins, the sweetly feeble letter to which Fitz’s second is the reply (devastating, I thought). Publisher’s sweetly feeble lawyer tries to argue at one and the same time that Lance never inarguably and explicitly imputes any such motives to Fitzgerald, and besides, even if and when he does, he puts his imputations in the context of conditional clauses and opinion, and everyone is entitled to his own opinion, eh? Heh.</p>
<p>I don’t know what goes on in court, but I do know what goes on when book publishers get sued: money gets spent, a lot of money, ‘way more money than book publishers can normally afford, long before anyone gets to court. That’s your actual libel chill, and I mostly don’t like it either. I’ve watched publishers chew over nuisance threats. Some of them are brave enough to take the dare and keep going, which is often smart because most nuisance threats go away, but most publishers will fold fairly easily just because they can’t afford to defend, even when they’re right.</p>
<p>To me, though, in this case it’s blindingly obvious that Fitz is right, but then I am NAL. (He is, though. *wink*)</p>
<p>Anyway, those letters were for me a real edumacation and a great read as well — I can’t imagine why Lance is putting stuff so damaging to himself on his own site. Shame that we don’t have the whole series, which I suspect would make Harper Collins look even sillier.</p>
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