Comments on: Hassan Ghul, Mystery Detainee 2, and the Three Bradbury Memos

By: acquarius74

acquarius74 — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:51:29 +0000

Correction to my @131: Jeff Perry was at Camp Nama the first half of 2004 not the last half. He tells that this mud-and-hose torture session happened in February [2004].

Sorry for the mistake.

By: thatvisionthing

thatvisionthing — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 07:42:12 +0000

~ see Frank Lloyd Wright’s design for secretary chairs for the Johnson Wax Building:

http://www.greatbuildings.com/.....lding.html

Wright designed all the original furniture for the building, including the three-legged secretary chairs, which tip over if one does not sit with correct posture.

sigh, no pix

By: thatvisionthing

thatvisionthing — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 07:25:14 +0000

Just wondering — last month on Daily Kos, MinistryOfTruth published a couple of diaries about DoD impersonating FBI at Guantanamo: http://www.dailykos.com/story/.....ng-torture and http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....037/31371.

Source was an ACLU document dump. Memos include 11/25/03, 12/05/03 and 12/15/04 in the first diary; 1/21/04, 5/13/04 and 8/2/04 in the second.

�Of concern, DOD interrogators impersonating Supervisory Special Agents of the FBI told a detainee that REDACTED. These same interrogation teams then REDACTED. The detainee was also told by this interrogation team REDACTED. These tactics have produced no intelligence of a threat neutralization nature to date and CITF believes that techniques have destroyed any chance of prosecuting this detainee. If this detainee is ever released or his story made public in any way, DOD interrogators will not be held accountable because these torture techniques were done the �FBI� interrogators. The FBI will be left holding the bag before the public.�

(12/15/04)

I thought that was a Holy Shit! story, but the diaries came and went without much stir. Eh? Could this have any bearing on your scenarios of FBI agents at Guantanamo?

By: thatvisionthing

thatvisionthing — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 07:00:45 +0000

My brain’s too small, but there’s a website for a book about David Hicks: http://www.detainee002.com/ . But, captured in Afghanistan, no mention about Iraq, so I see your point.

By: thatvisionthing

thatvisionthing — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 06:49:02 +0000

The NY Times article you linked to gives IG report date as April 2004, but this Washington Post article from last month, Hill Panel Reviewing CIA Tactics http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..2489.html, dates the report May 7, 2004. Why the difference? Did it get altered?

By: acquarius74

acquarius74 — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 06:36:45 +0000

I had the same lost-in-the-woods question before I got to your last sentence. His name has been shown as Ghul, Gul, and the Hassan fits. I bet there’s more than a 50/50 chance it’s the same man. I’ll go to your links.

This thread will close soon. In which case we’ll have to re-connect at a later thread.

By: acquarius74

acquarius74 — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 06:31:24 +0000

I see your thinking about the number, 2 or 002. Can’t figure it. I don’t think Hicks is “2″ because his wiki says nothing about his ever being in Iraq or connected to Zarqawi (I spell it differently each time, heh,heh).

The description in Marcy’s quotes definitely links Detainee 2 to Zarquawi who operated in the northern section of Iraq.

From what I’ve read of the monsters in the Special Ops Task Force at Camp Nama, Hicks would have fit right in there.

By: thatvisionthing

thatvisionthing — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 06:27:17 +0000

ICRC report http://www.nybooks.com/icrc-report.pdf has whole section I.3.8. on Exposure to Cold Temperature/Cold Water (in between section I.3.8 Sleep Deprevation and Use of Loud Music, and I.3.9. Prolonged Use of Handcuffs and Shackles. Abu Zubaydah, Ramzi Binalshib, and Mr. Bin Attash are identified by name in that section with descriptions of their cold treatment, but several other detainees wanted their names kept out of it, though they described their experiences. There’s a section at the end of the report (Annex 2) that names the 14 detainees the ICRC has used testimony from for their report, but only one had no ICRC written interventions, Haned Hassan Ahmad Guleed, identified earlier in the report as a Somali arrested March 4, 2004 in Djibouti. He must be the detainee on Page 3: “The remaining detainee was not known to the ICRC,” hence they hadn’t written to US in his regard.

My lost-in-the-woods question: Is Haned Hassan Ahmad Guleed another name for Hassan Ghul? If so, wikisource has some documents on him: http://en.wikisource.org/w/ind.....8;redirs=1 (which I don’t have time to look at now).

By: acquarius74

acquarius74 — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 05:59:49 +0000

including one that took place soon after he arrived at Nama, involving a detainee who was linked to Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi, the Jordanian insurgent leader who was later killed by a U.S. air strike, in June 2006:

He was kind of a financier of Zarqawi, or one of them from the beginning. He was caught and he didn’t want to talk and say anything. I had no part in this interrogation, I was just observing. In fact, it was shortly after I got there,

Jeff Perry was an interrogator with the Special Task Force at Camp Name the last half of 2004. He observed this “shortly after I got there” (June,July,August?)

I don’t see how a human being could survive this all-night hosing down with cold water, naked, thrown in the mud puddle, then put in front of an air conditioner. The detainee was some sort of a financier for Zarqawi (fits Detainee 2). He probably died, thus refs drop from 3 to 2 detainees. They wanted Comey to retrospectively approve the dousing, etc. Thus Comey would be the scapegoat for the murder of Detainee 2… ???(My brand of wildarse guessing).

By: acquarius74

acquarius74 — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 05:02:48 +0000

I left off the date of Jeff Perry’s time as interrogator in Camp Nama; it was the last half of 2004.