Comments on: The CIA’s Cherry Pick, Two http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/09/the-cias-cherry-pick-two/ Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:48:32 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Rayne http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/09/the-cias-cherry-pick-two/#comment-164782 Rayne Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:52:32 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/09/the-cias-cherry-pick-two/#comment-164782 <p>Nice, that, thanks for the reminder about the date.</p> Nice, that, thanks for the reminder about the date.

]]> By: kgb999 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/09/the-cias-cherry-pick-two/#comment-164722 kgb999 Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:40:31 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/09/the-cias-cherry-pick-two/#comment-164722 <p>January 9, 2003 is also the date that Mora finally forced a meeting with Haynes and the legal councils for the Joint Chiefs, the DoD and most branches of the Military. He presented evidence of abuse at GTMO (compiled by Dr. Gella based on interrogation logs) and left Haynes with the Gallotta report indicating Dec. 2 authorizations may be illegal.</p> <p>Mora also had meetings about the topic with aids for Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld on the 8th.</p> <p>(According to the Armed Services Committee detainee report)</p> January 9, 2003 is also the date that Mora finally forced a meeting with Haynes and the legal councils for the Joint Chiefs, the DoD and most branches of the Military. He presented evidence of abuse at GTMO (compiled by Dr. Gella based on interrogation logs) and left Haynes with the Gallotta report indicating Dec. 2 authorizations may be illegal.

Mora also had meetings about the topic with aids for Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld on the 8th.

(According to the Armed Services Committee detainee report)

]]> By: bmaz http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/09/the-cias-cherry-pick-two/#comment-164698 bmaz Wed, 10 Jun 2009 02:21:46 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/09/the-cias-cherry-pick-two/#comment-164698 <p>Oh, it was really quite predictable.</p> Oh, it was really quite predictable.

]]> By: whitewidow http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/09/the-cias-cherry-pick-two/#comment-164696 whitewidow Wed, 10 Jun 2009 01:59:35 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/09/the-cias-cherry-pick-two/#comment-164696 <p>I’m not sure any of the Bush family are ever “ex” CIA.</p> I’m not sure any of the Bush family are ever “ex” CIA.

]]> By: Jeff Kaye http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/09/the-cias-cherry-pick-two/#comment-164694 Jeff Kaye Wed, 10 Jun 2009 01:50:48 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/09/the-cias-cherry-pick-two/#comment-164694 <p>This is what I have been saying for some time.</p> This is what I have been saying for some time.

]]> By: Jeff Kaye http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/09/the-cias-cherry-pick-two/#comment-164693 Jeff Kaye Wed, 10 Jun 2009 01:49:42 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/09/the-cias-cherry-pick-two/#comment-164693 <p>Who would have thought, Obama’s best new allies in the Senate, Lieberman and Graham?</p> Who would have thought, Obama’s best new allies in the Senate, Lieberman and Graham?

]]> By: Mary http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/09/the-cias-cherry-pick-two/#comment-164620 Mary Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:32:59 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/09/the-cias-cherry-pick-two/#comment-164620 <p>Or maybe detailed notes from consultants like Mitchell who were basically treating this all as a big experiment offshoot of their learned helplessness area of interest. Might even appear in the cables, but creepy researcher notes had to exist at some point, something like - this session, X, included 14 waterboarding session, providing a total to date of 48 waterboarding sessions applied over 4 days with ranges to date of 2 to 22 waterboardings per session, observations noted as sessions increased include …</p> <p>yada yada That’s why they were the consultants - they study that kind of stuff and CIA would want as much detailed data from some of their few remaining situations where they could “legally” engage in human experimenation as possible.</p> Or maybe detailed notes from consultants like Mitchell who were basically treating this all as a big experiment offshoot of their learned helplessness area of interest. Might even appear in the cables, but creepy researcher notes had to exist at some point, something like – this session, X, included 14 waterboarding session, providing a total to date of 48 waterboarding sessions applied over 4 days with ranges to date of 2 to 22 waterboardings per session, observations noted as sessions increased include …

yada yada That’s why they were the consultants – they study that kind of stuff and CIA would want as much detailed data from some of their few remaining situations where they could “legally” engage in human experimenation as possible.

]]> By: Mary http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/09/the-cias-cherry-pick-two/#comment-164614 Mary Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:25:01 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/09/the-cias-cherry-pick-two/#comment-164614 <p>That almost hurts, it’s so sharply to the point.</p> That almost hurts, it’s so sharply to the point.

]]> By: fatster http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/09/the-cias-cherry-pick-two/#comment-164557 fatster Tue, 09 Jun 2009 19:47:09 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/09/the-cias-cherry-pick-two/#comment-164557 <p>Yep. Heartbreaking and sickening, too.</p> Yep. Heartbreaking and sickening, too.

]]> By: fatster http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/09/the-cias-cherry-pick-two/#comment-164554 fatster Tue, 09 Jun 2009 19:42:56 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/09/the-cias-cherry-pick-two/#comment-164554 <p>Betcha he’ll have plenty of experts jumping with him, one of whom he’ll be be connected to very tightly. I think he got his first experience bailing out of that plane during WWII, or am I misrememberng?</p> Betcha he’ll have plenty of experts jumping with him, one of whom he’ll be be connected to very tightly. I think he got his first experience bailing out of that plane during WWII, or am I misrememberng?

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