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		<title>By: 1boringoldman</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/07/legal/#comment-164518</link>
		<dc:creator>1boringoldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Maybe, but “&lt;strong&gt;including some things that never get mentioned because they are ‘preliminary.’&lt;/strong&gt;” sounds like there was more. I’d love to have Comey answer that in a Congressional Hearing. My hunch is that it might be like Shumer’s question in the U.S. Attorney firings Hearings when he asked about Comey’s evening hospital visit to Ashcroft’s room - an &lt;em&gt;eye-opener&lt;/em&gt;…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe, but “<strong>including some things that never get mentioned because they are ‘preliminary.’</strong>” sounds like there was more. I’d love to have Comey answer that in a Congressional Hearing. My hunch is that it might be like Shumer’s question in the U.S. Attorney firings Hearings when he asked about Comey’s evening hospital visit to Ashcroft’s room &#8211; an <em>eye-opener</em>…</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/07/legal/#comment-164305</link>
		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 01:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dunno what happened,  but here’s how I read it:&lt;br /&gt;
Comey had been trying to bring Gonzo around to discussing all the ‘techniques’.  He may have written them on a card in order to make sure he didn’t miss anything — sort of a ‘things to cover list’ on a handy, card-sized reminder note.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I could certainly be incorrect.&lt;br /&gt;
But that’s how I read it: “&lt;em&gt;Gonzo, listen you jackass, I’ll write you a list you, moron, since otherwise you’re going to flip out and forget one or two of these items&lt;/em&gt;…”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dunno what happened,  but here’s how I read it:<br />
Comey had been trying to bring Gonzo around to discussing all the ‘techniques’.  He may have written them on a card in order to make sure he didn’t miss anything — sort of a ‘things to cover list’ on a handy, card-sized reminder note.</p>
<p>I could certainly be incorrect.<br />
But that’s how I read it: “<em>Gonzo, listen you jackass, I’ll write you a list you, moron, since otherwise you’re going to flip out and forget one or two of these items</em>…”</p>
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		<title>By: 1boringoldman</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/07/legal/#comment-164279</link>
		<dc:creator>1boringoldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 23:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mary mentions a comment in the emails that haunts me. Comey talks about giving Gonzales “a card” with a listing of all [Torture?] techniques “&lt;strong&gt;including some things that never get mentioned because they are ‘preliminary.’&lt;/strong&gt;” What is he talking about? It seems important. Comey was pleading with Gonzales to do the right thing, to talk some sense into the Principals. In his last act, he hands this “card” to AG Alberto Gonzales.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;It sounds like some other “nasty” stuff about these torture techniques&lt;/strong&gt;, confirming that the Memos were being addressed to a fictional and sanitized version [The first Bradbury Memo actually alludes to that with all of its disclaimers]. But what it also says is that Comey testifying on a stand or in a Hearing may be even more dangerous to the Principals than we knew, and may suggest a possible reason for the pre-emptive strike by the distortions in the New York Times article.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary mentions a comment in the emails that haunts me. Comey talks about giving Gonzales “a card” with a listing of all [Torture?] techniques “<strong>including some things that never get mentioned because they are ‘preliminary.’</strong>” What is he talking about? It seems important. Comey was pleading with Gonzales to do the right thing, to talk some sense into the Principals. In his last act, he hands this “card” to AG Alberto Gonzales.</p>
<p><strong>It sounds like some other “nasty” stuff about these torture techniques</strong>, confirming that the Memos were being addressed to a fictional and sanitized version [The first Bradbury Memo actually alludes to that with all of its disclaimers]. But what it also says is that Comey testifying on a stand or in a Hearing may be even more dangerous to the Principals than we knew, and may suggest a possible reason for the pre-emptive strike by the distortions in the New York Times article.</p>
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		<title>By: timbo</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/07/legal/#comment-164223</link>
		<dc:creator>timbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Comey may have been the last person of the type left at the top of DOJ by this time.  Sez a lot of how badly the institution had fallen under the Bush regime.  I believe Comey to have decided to stay as long as he could to do what he could to blunt these goons open assault on the legal function of government.  He stayed as long he could…many folks resigned or were “transferred” who weren’t going along.  He played the game as long as he thought he was having a blunting effect.  After a few weeks of Gonzalez running DOJ, anyone in DOJ leadership with half a conscience would have been running for the door in a hurry…and I’m guessing that those that did stay afterwards, still trying to blunt the worst that the Bush gang could do, had to bite their own tongues bloody until the hiring and firing scandals broke.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comey may have been the last person of the type left at the top of DOJ by this time.  Sez a lot of how badly the institution had fallen under the Bush regime.  I believe Comey to have decided to stay as long as he could to do what he could to blunt these goons open assault on the legal function of government.  He stayed as long he could…many folks resigned or were “transferred” who weren’t going along.  He played the game as long as he thought he was having a blunting effect.  After a few weeks of Gonzalez running DOJ, anyone in DOJ leadership with half a conscience would have been running for the door in a hurry…and I’m guessing that those that did stay afterwards, still trying to blunt the worst that the Bush gang could do, had to bite their own tongues bloody until the hiring and firing scandals broke.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/07/legal/#comment-164201</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 18:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That would depend on the specific charges being contemplated and the specific theory of the case behind bringing them; it is really impossible to say. Do I think they are potentially probative evidence, yes they may well be. But, by the same token, evidence is at its most valuable when it comes from the mouthes and hands of the most directly complicit; so I am not sure it is a feather in his cap that this might get used.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would depend on the specific charges being contemplated and the specific theory of the case behind bringing them; it is really impossible to say. Do I think they are potentially probative evidence, yes they may well be. But, by the same token, evidence is at its most valuable when it comes from the mouthes and hands of the most directly complicit; so I am not sure it is a feather in his cap that this might get used.</p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/07/legal/#comment-164198</link>
		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 18:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;bmaz,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Quick question…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As you would build a case against Cheney and co on torture, would you use the Comey emails or any evidence Comey makes reference to (legally mark up memos and his own notes) in those emails as evidence?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bmaz,</p>
<p>Quick question…</p>
<p>As you would build a case against Cheney and co on torture, would you use the Comey emails or any evidence Comey makes reference to (legally mark up memos and his own notes) in those emails as evidence?</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/07/legal/#comment-164168</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, Comey is a true American hero of the highest order.  We should make a patriotic movie about him and let him heroically play himself.  Just like Audie Murphy.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I agree to some extent with what Mary said in the next post about some CYA being part of the position and not necessarily a foul thing.  I will give Comey that; anything beyond that appears totally ludicrous to me.  In my mind, a man that authorized what I laid out in @7 above, that permitted the perfidy of the Bush/Cheney torture program and that blithely reauthorized the still illegal wiretapping and gross surveillance program soon as his and his precious Ashcroft’s ass were covered deserves nothing in the way of admiration, and he sure as hell is no hero.  You are entitled to your worship in peace, I have said mine.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Comey is a true American hero of the highest order.  We should make a patriotic movie about him and let him heroically play himself.  Just like Audie Murphy.  </p>
<p>I agree to some extent with what Mary said in the next post about some CYA being part of the position and not necessarily a foul thing.  I will give Comey that; anything beyond that appears totally ludicrous to me.  In my mind, a man that authorized what I laid out in @7 above, that permitted the perfidy of the Bush/Cheney torture program and that blithely reauthorized the still illegal wiretapping and gross surveillance program soon as his and his precious Ashcroft’s ass were covered deserves nothing in the way of admiration, and he sure as hell is no hero.  You are entitled to your worship in peace, I have said mine.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I disagree, fairly strongly.&lt;br /&gt;
The CheneyBots hated Comey; the fact that he’d appointed Fitz in Dec 2003, after almost certainly working with Ashcroft to recuse himself, almost won Comey the undying enmity of the Cheney/OVP crowd.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In my own, very tiny, little way, I’ve also ‘left breadcrumbs’ and ‘walked out with documents’ that I filed carefully away to assist with lawsuits that I hoped would come.  It takes focus, time, and energy to do that — it’s a damn sight easier to simply sign off on something without taking the extra time to think ahead about what language, what topics, what data, what details are going to be most relevant to someone 2 or 4 years down the line.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s a lot easier to just sign off and cover your own ass; reading the exerpts shown here suggest to me that Comey was deliberately leaving the best trail that he knew how.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And he was doing it at a time when he knew that he may well have been surveilled by OVP and the NSA, when he surely realized that K-k-k-karl Rove was the person pulling Kyle Sampson’s puppet strings, when Alice Fisher was screwing with prosecutions in places like Alabama.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bear in mind, also, that Jack Abramoff apparently wasn’t indicted until August of 2005; at the time that Comey was leaving his breadcrumbs, Delay still had an iron grip on the House, and Frist the Senate.  The BushCheney GOP appeared at that time to have a stranglehold on US government.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree, fairly strongly.<br />
The CheneyBots hated Comey; the fact that he’d appointed Fitz in Dec 2003, after almost certainly working with Ashcroft to recuse himself, almost won Comey the undying enmity of the Cheney/OVP crowd.</p>
<p>In my own, very tiny, little way, I’ve also ‘left breadcrumbs’ and ‘walked out with documents’ that I filed carefully away to assist with lawsuits that I hoped would come.  It takes focus, time, and energy to do that — it’s a damn sight easier to simply sign off on something without taking the extra time to think ahead about what language, what topics, what data, what details are going to be most relevant to someone 2 or 4 years down the line.</p>
<p>It’s a lot easier to just sign off and cover your own ass; reading the exerpts shown here suggest to me that Comey was deliberately leaving the best trail that he knew how.</p>
<p>And he was doing it at a time when he knew that he may well have been surveilled by OVP and the NSA, when he surely realized that K-k-k-karl Rove was the person pulling Kyle Sampson’s puppet strings, when Alice Fisher was screwing with prosecutions in places like Alabama.</p>
<p>Bear in mind, also, that Jack Abramoff apparently wasn’t indicted until August of 2005; at the time that Comey was leaving his breadcrumbs, Delay still had an iron grip on the House, and Frist the Senate.  The BushCheney GOP appeared at that time to have a stranglehold on US government.</p>
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		<title>By: SebastianDangerfield</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/07/legal/#comment-164162</link>
		<dc:creator>SebastianDangerfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nothing substantive to add to the excellent post and penetrating commentary, but I will say this:  The fact that this “story” (i.e., attempted-asscovering spin from the Cheney/Bradbury camp) has been leaked so as to command Monday’s headlines means that it is time to melt a stick of butter and break out the finest corn kernels, cuz methinks someone knows that a very, very unflattering OPR report is soon to be released.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think that Bradbury is the most likely culprit here, as he is in the most delicate position of all of this rogue’s gallery, given that at the time he had the most to gain from pleasing his doms.  As I recall Bradbury’s pissing backwards on the early memos was featured prominently in the press when the last round of memos was released.  No accident, that.  Bradbury’s worried about a whole lot more than his reputation.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing substantive to add to the excellent post and penetrating commentary, but I will say this:  The fact that this “story” (i.e., attempted-asscovering spin from the Cheney/Bradbury camp) has been leaked so as to command Monday’s headlines means that it is time to melt a stick of butter and break out the finest corn kernels, cuz methinks someone knows that a very, very unflattering OPR report is soon to be released.  </p>
<p>I think that Bradbury is the most likely culprit here, as he is in the most delicate position of all of this rogue’s gallery, given that at the time he had the most to gain from pleasing his doms.  As I recall Bradbury’s pissing backwards on the early memos was featured prominently in the press when the last round of memos was released.  No accident, that.  Bradbury’s worried about a whole lot more than his reputation.</p>
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		<title>By: TheraP</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/07/legal/#comment-164159</link>
		<dc:creator>TheraP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Meant to reply to bmaz @145.  And somehow replied to myself.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meant to reply to bmaz @145.  And somehow replied to myself.</p>
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