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	<title>Comments on: Pre-Emptive Strike on OPR Report: NYT Misrepresents Comey Emails, Claims He Approved Torture</title>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/06/pre-emptive-strike-on-opr-report-comey-said-waterboarding-legal/comment-page-1/#comment-164336</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 05:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: PJBurke</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJBurke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 05:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Heya, Rayne… thankyou for your compliments. The compliment “beautifully said” will always be highly valued. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I do not post much here. I come here to learn what I do not yet know and to gain a broader, deeper understanding of what happened, not to impose my thoughts (or beliefs) on others. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I do take exception, however, to “projectile foolishness,” which characterizes well the post to which I replied. Or, more simply put: Don’t bash Marcy with empty nonsense… People here (like me, a Master Chief Legalman (retired) ) have got her back.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heya, Rayne… thankyou for your compliments. The compliment “beautifully said” will always be highly valued. </p>
<p>I do not post much here. I come here to learn what I do not yet know and to gain a broader, deeper understanding of what happened, not to impose my thoughts (or beliefs) on others. </p>
<p>I do take exception, however, to “projectile foolishness,” which characterizes well the post to which I replied. Or, more simply put: Don’t bash Marcy with empty nonsense… People here (like me, a Master Chief Legalman (retired) ) have got her back.</p>
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		<title>By: timbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>timbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good to know the NYTimes is holding on to news of national import as long as they can so that they’re political pals in hotwater over torture and war crimes and try to win a battle for public opinion…inside the United States.  And yet another argument for some other country to start trying our war criminals ASAP.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to know the NYTimes is holding on to news of national import as long as they can so that they’re political pals in hotwater over torture and war crimes and try to win a battle for public opinion…inside the United States.  And yet another argument for some other country to start trying our war criminals ASAP.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Beautifully said, thanks for that. Obviously the visitor in question is not as up to speed as they think they are on the topic of torture, or they’d have some respect for the work this blog does and the caliber of regular readers-contributors here in thread.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is not a site for those who cannot grok realpolitik; it will not be an end-all-be-all for every reader, let alone those with solid political cred and wonky background. But this is the problem with American journalism and the state of our democracy as well; far too many people have not the patience, intellect, fortitude to stay with the trudging grind that is real journalism. The slow grind of stories which became the Watergate scandal is no longer the bread-and-butter of most news outlets simply because their constituents want bread-and-circuses infotainment instead. What a pity; we end up with the commercial news we deserve if we don’t demand and commit to more and better, including the weedy research required of real journalism.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[Edit: by the way, I think richcpl has some ’splainin’ of his own to do instead of bashing somebody with deeper academic cred than he has. How is it that the financial journalism of this country blew the financial crisis? By dumbing down the content of their work and following conventional wisdom ad nauseum, perhaps? He owns it and ought to be looking more closely at his own work and consider whether deeper, introspective work might have served the public.]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautifully said, thanks for that. Obviously the visitor in question is not as up to speed as they think they are on the topic of torture, or they’d have some respect for the work this blog does and the caliber of regular readers-contributors here in thread.</p>
<p>This is not a site for those who cannot grok realpolitik; it will not be an end-all-be-all for every reader, let alone those with solid political cred and wonky background. But this is the problem with American journalism and the state of our democracy as well; far too many people have not the patience, intellect, fortitude to stay with the trudging grind that is real journalism. The slow grind of stories which became the Watergate scandal is no longer the bread-and-butter of most news outlets simply because their constituents want bread-and-circuses infotainment instead. What a pity; we end up with the commercial news we deserve if we don’t demand and commit to more and better, including the weedy research required of real journalism.</p>
<p>[Edit: by the way, I think richcpl has some ’splainin’ of his own to do instead of bashing somebody with deeper academic cred than he has. How is it that the financial journalism of this country blew the financial crisis? By dumbing down the content of their work and following conventional wisdom ad nauseum, perhaps? He owns it and ought to be looking more closely at his own work and consider whether deeper, introspective work might have served the public.]</p>
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		<title>By: PJBurke</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJBurke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;“…if you have to be on the site over a long period of time to follow the story, then the site and the writer are writing into an echo chamber…”&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is an advanced conversation. Marcy’s work is analogous to watching Roberto Clemente field long line drives on the warning track and then pegging the hapless runner at third. Every time. It may be “inside baseball,” but that makes it not an echo chamber but actually the antithesis of it. New revelations destroy echos; Marcy has earned a reputation for producing new revelations and demolishing echo sources (and chambers)… those hapless runners trying for third on Marcy’s cannon-arm. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But then here you come, bellyaching that you don’t understand what the long wooden clubs are for. You don’t understand what the funny-looking, oversized leather hand-coverings do. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As another poster has pointed out: your bellyaching says much more about you than about this site.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To reiterate and extend: this is an advanced conversation on a highly technical and esoteric subject, the understanding of which requires that one take the time to read &lt;em&gt;oneself&lt;/em&gt; in, and bring &lt;em&gt;oneself&lt;/em&gt; up to speed. The necessary preliminary chapters are easily available.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Your choice is to whether to continue the disruption with your bellyaching, or to do the necessary hard work of bringing yourself into — and up to — the conversation.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>“…if you have to be on the site over a long period of time to follow the story, then the site and the writer are writing into an echo chamber…”</strong></p>
<p>This is an advanced conversation. Marcy’s work is analogous to watching Roberto Clemente field long line drives on the warning track and then pegging the hapless runner at third. Every time. It may be “inside baseball,” but that makes it not an echo chamber but actually the antithesis of it. New revelations destroy echos; Marcy has earned a reputation for producing new revelations and demolishing echo sources (and chambers)… those hapless runners trying for third on Marcy’s cannon-arm. </p>
<p>But then here you come, bellyaching that you don’t understand what the long wooden clubs are for. You don’t understand what the funny-looking, oversized leather hand-coverings do. </p>
<p>As another poster has pointed out: your bellyaching says much more about you than about this site.</p>
<p>To reiterate and extend: this is an advanced conversation on a highly technical and esoteric subject, the understanding of which requires that one take the time to read <em>oneself</em> in, and bring <em>oneself</em> up to speed. The necessary preliminary chapters are easily available.</p>
<p>Your choice is to whether to continue the disruption with your bellyaching, or to do the necessary hard work of bringing yourself into — and up to — the conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Much of what I like best about trying to keep up with Marcy is that if I don’t, before I know it SO MUCH has happened that I feel lost; it’s because I didn’t MAKE the time and TAKE the time to read every post. Sometimes I can’t read every post. I accept feeling lost; what I cannot accept is being spoon-fed.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for kind words.&lt;br /&gt;
I wish that I could keep up with Marcy; there’s no possible way that I can!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are certain threads (anthrax) that I simply don’t read b/c it’s one ‘theme’ she covers that I find too disturbing - but also, just involves details that I don’t have time to track.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I try to pick ‘themes’ and follow them.&lt;br /&gt;
But I suspect that you also have that sense of ‘wow! maybe I do get some of what’s going on!’ when you read a post that really makes you think, or that pulls back the veil, so to speak.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Plus, there are enough ‘experts’ around these parts that when I don’t understand things, someone explains without making me feel like too much of a foolish soul.  But it does require reading following things over time, IMHO.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nevertheless, that’s part of the ‘addiction’, or engagement, or satisfaction, eh?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Much of what I like best about trying to keep up with Marcy is that if I don’t, before I know it SO MUCH has happened that I feel lost; it’s because I didn’t MAKE the time and TAKE the time to read every post. Sometimes I can’t read every post. I accept feeling lost; what I cannot accept is being spoon-fed.</p>
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<p>Thanks for kind words.<br />
I wish that I could keep up with Marcy; there’s no possible way that I can!</p>
<p>There are certain threads (anthrax) that I simply don’t read b/c it’s one ‘theme’ she covers that I find too disturbing &#8211; but also, just involves details that I don’t have time to track.</p>
<p>I try to pick ‘themes’ and follow them.<br />
But I suspect that you also have that sense of ‘wow! maybe I do get some of what’s going on!’ when you read a post that really makes you think, or that pulls back the veil, so to speak.</p>
<p>Plus, there are enough ‘experts’ around these parts that when I don’t understand things, someone explains without making me feel like too much of a foolish soul.  But it does require reading following things over time, IMHO.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, that’s part of the ‘addiction’, or engagement, or satisfaction, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Seems like you’d be more welcome and have a better time if you could drop the antagonistic tone.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;MadDogs is some kind of a wizard when it comes to locating obscure documents.  Ditto several others on this thread.  Personally, I find him witty as hell.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you’re honestly interested in what EW has to reveal and explain, why not take a deep breath, then carry on when you’re in a more cheerful mood?&lt;br /&gt;
I don’t think he’ll hold a grudge.&lt;br /&gt;
I hope that you don’t either.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like you’d be more welcome and have a better time if you could drop the antagonistic tone.</p>
<p>MadDogs is some kind of a wizard when it comes to locating obscure documents.  Ditto several others on this thread.  Personally, I find him witty as hell.</p>
<p>If you’re honestly interested in what EW has to reveal and explain, why not take a deep breath, then carry on when you’re in a more cheerful mood?<br />
I don’t think he’ll hold a grudge.<br />
I hope that you don’t either.</p>
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		<title>By: greenbird4751</title>
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		<dc:creator>greenbird4751</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;RoTL, you are good. Your comment should be at the beginning of the glossary, but there probably won’t be one. Much of what I like best about trying to keep up with Marcy is that if I don’t, before I know it SO MUCH has happened that I feel lost; it’s because I didn’t MAKE the time and TAKE the time to read every post. Sometimes I can’t read every post. I accept feeling lost; what I cannot accept is being spoon-fed.&lt;br /&gt;
It will be a pleasure to stay up late, having missed a few posts…it’s a pleasure to NEED to catch up, no matter how late it gets.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RoTL, you are good. Your comment should be at the beginning of the glossary, but there probably won’t be one. Much of what I like best about trying to keep up with Marcy is that if I don’t, before I know it SO MUCH has happened that I feel lost; it’s because I didn’t MAKE the time and TAKE the time to read every post. Sometimes I can’t read every post. I accept feeling lost; what I cannot accept is being spoon-fed.<br />
It will be a pleasure to stay up late, having missed a few posts…it’s a pleasure to NEED to catch up, no matter how late it gets.</p>
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		<title>By: richcpl</title>
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		<dc:creator>richcpl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 00:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wow. How fresh and original–”If you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.” Nothing more exciting than a cliche. Or flogging to death an unfunny joke like “The Blogger’s Constitution” or “Blogging for Dummies.” That’s a real sharp wit. You miss the whole point of media communications.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. How fresh and original–”If you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.” Nothing more exciting than a cliche. Or flogging to death an unfunny joke like “The Blogger’s Constitution” or “Blogging for Dummies.” That’s a real sharp wit. You miss the whole point of media communications.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 17:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That woman can lie just like her daddy&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That woman can lie just like her daddy</p>
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