Comments on: The Government Dodges and Weaves on al-Haramain http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/01/the-government-dodges-and-weaves-on-al-haramain/ Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:48:32 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: fatster http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/01/the-government-dodges-and-weaves-on-al-haramain/#comment-162956 fatster Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:48:33 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/01/the-government-dodges-and-weaves-on-al-haramain/#comment-162956 <p><strong>Cheney admits there was never any evidence tying Iraq, 9/11</strong></p> <p>BY JOHN BYRNE 

Published: June 2, 2009 
Updated 2 minutes ago</p> <p>“In an interview with Fox News’ Greta van Susteren Monday, Cheney said there was no evidence tying Iraq and 9/11 — and that there never was.”</p> <p><a href="http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/06/02/cheney-no-evidence-iraq/" rel="nofollow">http://rawstory.com/08/news/20.....ence-iraq/</a></p> Cheney admits there was never any evidence tying Iraq, 9/11

BY JOHN BYRNE 

Published: June 2, 2009 
Updated 2 minutes ago

“In an interview with Fox News’ Greta van Susteren Monday, Cheney said there was no evidence tying Iraq and 9/11 — and that there never was.”

http://rawstory.com/08/news/20…..ence-iraq/

]]> By: fatster http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/01/the-government-dodges-and-weaves-on-al-haramain/#comment-162954 fatster Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:37:40 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/01/the-government-dodges-and-weaves-on-al-haramain/#comment-162954 <p><strong>Nadler To Hold Hearing On State Secrets</strong></p> <p>By Zachary Roth - June 1, 2009, 6:47PM</p> <p>“Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-NY), who chairs the Constitution, Civil Rights and Civil Liberties subcommittee of the House Judiciary committee, will host hearings Thursday to examine how to curb abuse of the privilege, while protecting true state secrets.</p> <p>“Testifying at Nadler’s hearings will be Patricia Wald, a retired federal judge; Asa Hutchinson, the former GOP congressman from Arkansas; Ben Wizner of the ACLU; and Andrew Grossman of the Heritage Foundation.”</p> <p><a href="http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/nadler_to_hold_hearing_on_state_secrets.php?ref=fpbO/T" rel="nofollow">http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpoi.....ref=fpbO/T</a></p> Nadler To Hold Hearing On State Secrets

By Zachary Roth – June 1, 2009, 6:47PM

“Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-NY), who chairs the Constitution, Civil Rights and Civil Liberties subcommittee of the House Judiciary committee, will host hearings Thursday to examine how to curb abuse of the privilege, while protecting true state secrets.

“Testifying at Nadler’s hearings will be Patricia Wald, a retired federal judge; Asa Hutchinson, the former GOP congressman from Arkansas; Ben Wizner of the ACLU; and Andrew Grossman of the Heritage Foundation.”

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpoi…..ref=fpbO/T

]]> By: lysias http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/01/the-government-dodges-and-weaves-on-al-haramain/#comment-162943 lysias Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:48:02 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/01/the-government-dodges-and-weaves-on-al-haramain/#comment-162943 <p>That article in the Guardian that says Al-Libi was rendered via Diego Garcia also says he had been freed before he recently died:</p> <blockquote><p>The other man rendered through the US base on the island was likely to be Libi, he added. While questioned in Egypt, Libi claimed that al-Qaida was in league with Saddam Hussein, a claim now accepted by the US to be false. <b>He was recently freed and died in Libya two weeks ago.</b></p></blockquote> <p>Has that been reported anywhere else?</p> That article in the Guardian that says Al-Libi was rendered via Diego Garcia also says he had been freed before he recently died:

The other man rendered through the US base on the island was likely to be Libi, he added. While questioned in Egypt, Libi claimed that al-Qaida was in league with Saddam Hussein, a claim now accepted by the US to be false. He was recently freed and died in Libya two weeks ago.

Has that been reported anywhere else?

]]> By: fatster http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/01/the-government-dodges-and-weaves-on-al-haramain/#comment-162901 fatster Tue, 02 Jun 2009 03:02:31 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/01/the-government-dodges-and-weaves-on-al-haramain/#comment-162901 <p>So this makes it ok, right?</p> <p><strong>Gov’t source: Iraqi PM told Obama ‘Baghdad will burn’ if photos released</strong><br /> – Stephen C. Webster</p> <p>From McClatchy Newspapers:<br /> “In the days leading up to a May 28 deadline to release the photos in response to an American Civil Liberties Union lawsuit, U.S. officials, led by Christopher Hill, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, told Maliki that the administration was preparing to release photos of suspected detainee abuse taken from 2003 to 2006.</p> <p>“When U.S. officials told Maliki, “he went pale in the face,” said a U.S. military official, who along with others requested anonymity because of the matter’s sensitivity.<br /> . . . </p> <p>“Please bear in mind, McClatchy’s source here is an unnamed government official whose statements were apparently corroborated by …  An unnamed military official.”</p> <p><a href="http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/06/govt-source-iraqi-pm-told-obama-baghdad-will-burn-if-photos-released/" rel="nofollow">http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/.....-released/</a></p> So this makes it ok, right?

Gov’t source: Iraqi PM told Obama ‘Baghdad will burn’ if photos released
– Stephen C. Webster

From McClatchy Newspapers:
“In the days leading up to a May 28 deadline to release the photos in response to an American Civil Liberties Union lawsuit, U.S. officials, led by Christopher Hill, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, told Maliki that the administration was preparing to release photos of suspected detainee abuse taken from 2003 to 2006.

“When U.S. officials told Maliki, “he went pale in the face,” said a U.S. military official, who along with others requested anonymity because of the matter’s sensitivity.
. . .

“Please bear in mind, McClatchy’s source here is an unnamed government official whose statements were apparently corroborated by …  An unnamed military official.”

http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/…..-released/

]]> By: MarkH http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/01/the-government-dodges-and-weaves-on-al-haramain/#comment-162898 MarkH Tue, 02 Jun 2009 02:43:52 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/01/the-government-dodges-and-weaves-on-al-haramain/#comment-162898 <p>Therefore their idea of torture is to bore the detainee out of their gourd with the headgear, gloves and other sensory deprivation stuff.</p> <p>Boredom and torture in paradise.</p> Therefore their idea of torture is to bore the detainee out of their gourd with the headgear, gloves and other sensory deprivation stuff.

Boredom and torture in paradise.

]]> By: MarkH http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/01/the-government-dodges-and-weaves-on-al-haramain/#comment-162896 MarkH Tue, 02 Jun 2009 02:36:10 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/01/the-government-dodges-and-weaves-on-al-haramain/#comment-162896 <p>“24/7!” would be about “3.5 factorial” which is nonsense and that’s why government shouldn’t spy on people. There are 10 kinds of government people: those who can count to two, those who can’t and those who don’t have a clue.</p> <p>Say, why did the Taliban cross the road? To go to the barbershop! Haaa!</p> “24/7!” would be about “3.5 factorial” which is nonsense and that’s why government shouldn’t spy on people. There are 10 kinds of government people: those who can count to two, those who can’t and those who don’t have a clue.

Say, why did the Taliban cross the road? To go to the barbershop! Haaa!

]]> By: MarkH http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/01/the-government-dodges-and-weaves-on-al-haramain/#comment-162895 MarkH Tue, 02 Jun 2009 02:22:14 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/01/the-government-dodges-and-weaves-on-al-haramain/#comment-162895 <p>As I see it,</p> <p>A ruling is official action - done.</p> <p>A ’suggestion’ implies to me something which the court has ’said’, but which has not yet reached it’s conclusion.</p> As I see it,

A ruling is official action – done.

A ’suggestion’ implies to me something which the court has ’said’, but which has not yet reached it’s conclusion.

]]> By: timbo http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/01/the-government-dodges-and-weaves-on-al-haramain/#comment-162884 timbo Tue, 02 Jun 2009 01:15:24 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/01/the-government-dodges-and-weaves-on-al-haramain/#comment-162884 <p>My guess is that, just like the CIA torture tapes, and the White House emails, etc, the list of when and where in this case has been destroyed…and that’s what the government is trying to avoid revealing…that an unknown number of folks were illegally wiretapped for an unknown length of time and that the government knew about this and that it was, in fact, official policy to do it. Because, if the argument is that “we did it to protect you” then how do you prove that if you’ve destroyed all basis to come to that conclusion?</p> <p>On the other hand, maybe they still have everything and it proves that it didn’t protect much of anyone…except those in power who “probed” their political components incessantly and illegally, un-Constitutionally, and in violation of their oaths of office.</p> My guess is that, just like the CIA torture tapes, and the White House emails, etc, the list of when and where in this case has been destroyed…and that’s what the government is trying to avoid revealing…that an unknown number of folks were illegally wiretapped for an unknown length of time and that the government knew about this and that it was, in fact, official policy to do it. Because, if the argument is that “we did it to protect you” then how do you prove that if you’ve destroyed all basis to come to that conclusion?

On the other hand, maybe they still have everything and it proves that it didn’t protect much of anyone…except those in power who “probed” their political components incessantly and illegally, un-Constitutionally, and in violation of their oaths of office.

]]> By: fatster http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/01/the-government-dodges-and-weaves-on-al-haramain/#comment-162882 fatster Tue, 02 Jun 2009 00:44:20 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/01/the-government-dodges-and-weaves-on-al-haramain/#comment-162882 <p>And if we still have a US. Sigh.</p> And if we still have a US. Sigh.

]]> By: skdadl http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/01/the-government-dodges-and-weaves-on-al-haramain/#comment-162879 skdadl Tue, 02 Jun 2009 00:13:59 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/01/the-government-dodges-and-weaves-on-al-haramain/#comment-162879 <p>That is exactly the case. </p> <p>On the one hand, Khadr’s Canadian lawyers, Dennis Edney and Nathan Whitling, have worked closely with Kuebler for several years, and Whitling argued the SCt case for disclosing evidence held by the cangov that was semi-successful. On the other, I’m assuming that they work with serious disadvantages within any system of yours, yes? I think they’ve had trouble even getting to GTMO. </p> <p>That report leaves open the possibility that Edney and Whitling could advise Omar to choose Kuebler, which would actually be a very smart way around Masciola.</p> That is exactly the case.

On the one hand, Khadr’s Canadian lawyers, Dennis Edney and Nathan Whitling, have worked closely with Kuebler for several years, and Whitling argued the SCt case for disclosing evidence held by the cangov that was semi-successful. On the other, I’m assuming that they work with serious disadvantages within any system of yours, yes? I think they’ve had trouble even getting to GTMO.

That report leaves open the possibility that Edney and Whitling could advise Omar to choose Kuebler, which would actually be a very smart way around Masciola.

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